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Transformers 3 was worse than Tranformers (2007)

Ometiklan

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I didn't see Transformers 3 when it was in theaters. I disliked Transformers (2007) enough that I never saw 2 and didn't want to see 3, but a friend of mine wanted to watch it on his new bluray+surround sound setup so that is how Ii finally saw it.

Basically, I just wanted to see what other people's thoughts of the movie were since I didn't pay much attention to it when it was actually in theaters I didn't hear or read much more than that it was better than Transformers 2.

The main issues I had were:
- No one other than, maybe, Patrick Dempsey was actually acting in this movie. Everyone else was chewing scenery the entire time.
- I don't think any two consecutive lines of dialog spoken by a Transformer made sense - they were all non-sequiters. And a majority of stand-alone sentences made no sense at all. They seemed to only be catchphrases strung together to fill airtime.
- The editing was horrendous: characters would disappear from scenes (Malkovich from Shia's apartment) and the movie would jump to a new scene with no explanation of what happened (Sentinel Prime is ripping up the "secret facility", we are fighting back, and he demands the return of his columns but then there is a jump cut to him driving away with them strapped to the back of his truck form; we didn't try to stop him? the super vault we built was useless? Where did he get those bungie cords/ropes?) and other stuff seemed to be cut out of the movie leaving no explanation (Bumblebee shows up to save Sam and then drives off two seconds later, then suddenly he is one of 4 Autobots that have been captured. What happened there?).

Now for the more nitpicky issues:
- Maybe I am missing something by not having seen Transformers 2, but it makes no sense that no one believes Sam when he says the Decepticons are back. If no one thinks they can return then why is there this huge investment in men and missions and equipment and secret bases and huge vaults?
- Sam seems like a terrible person, not able to interact in a reasonable manner with any other human being on the planet. All the people at all of the companies he interviews with seem to get this, but no one else does. How did he get through college (he also seems to have no job/life skills) and get the hot girl?
- The entire climax of the movie is centered around destroying the control column, yet when faced with the opportunity to do so, the characters don't do it. The man with the only shoulder-launched rocket just doesn't ‘feel right’ about it when he has his one and only chance. Optimus Prime flies around in circles battling numerous enemies for minutes on end, never once even attempting to destroy the target on the adjacent building. The squads of Seals and National Guard/Infantry who show up are also not tasked with that mission, they instead climb 100 story buildings just to jump out of them again.
- Carly goes and talks to Megatron and psychs him into fighting Sentinel Prime. Maybe I missed something but other than hearing what she thought were “just stories” from Sam, does she have any idea who Megatron is that would make her think she could go and psych him into fighting? How did she even know where he was or that he was still alive?
- At the beginning of the movie, why does the ship Sentinel Prime is escaping in have gun turrets that need to be operated by Transformers? Why are these not automated?
- Why are many of the transformer’s weapons simple projectile weapons like machine guns or other guns using casings or even rockets when they have energy weapons and other advanced stuff? If the transformers are metal what are their tires made out of and therefore if they can transition materials from one form to another, why are some components kept between forms (like tires) that serve no purpose in robot form? Shouldn’t transformers who are really fast automobiles be faster in car form than in robot form (thinking of the freeway chase)?
 
In answer to the comment in the title of the thread, yes, Dark of the Moon was worse than the first Transformers, although it was a slight improvement on Revenge of the Fallen, which is not saying much since that was an epic piece of crap. The first movie had all the beginnings of the same problems that would grow to dominate the two sequels, but it still managed to be reasonably entertaining and somewhat coherent.

I have a tl;dr version of my review of Dark of the Moon here if you want to read it. Like you, I had many issues with the narrative and characters. Plus, click the link at the top and you can read other's opinions on the film.
 
Lucas is Bored: Thanks for that link, good review.

I didn't mention the issues I had with the Apollo 11 mission, but you covered them pretty well. I didn't think about the not returning to the moon thing that you pointed out.

Also, all the non-sensical stuff that only becomes apparent when you know the plot of Transformers 2 was interesting to read.
 
I never particularly liked the first Transformers movie, it was watchable but had too much Shia LaBeouf and too few Transformer fights, but both sequels are beyond horrible. The third one is indeed slightly better than the second, but it's like saying that a giant earthquake is slightly better than nuclear holocaust. There's no reason to analyze the plot for holes, because there's no plot. It's all random action scenes with actors improvising nonsense on the spot.
 
I'm amazed this movie has as many fans as it does. The first movie at least had a sense of magic and wonder about it, and a plot you could actually follow.

The sequels were just a collection of random action sequences and stupid jokes. Even on a guilty pleasure level, that's not enough to make for an enjoyable movie for me.
 
Threads like this make me laugh. A lot. TF2 & TF3 are not fundamentally different movies than TF1 -- and yet TF1 is held up to be some kind of "gold standard" of TF films. They are all plagued with the same problems -- shallow characterizations, juvenile humor, poor editing, nonsensical plotting, hackney dialogue ... and on and on and on ...

Seriously. The rage over TF2 & TF3 is utterly laughable.
 
- Carly goes and talks to Megatron and psychs him into fighting Sentinel Prime. Maybe I missed something but other than hearing what she thought were “just stories” from Sam, does she have any idea who Megatron is that would make her think she could go and psych him into fighting? How did she even know where he was or that he was still alive?

No doubt a relic from when it was supposed to be Megan Fox's character. Besides they had to give her something to do other than let Bay letch at her. I've got no problem with a little eye candy in a film, but Bay went way beyond that to a point where it was actually creepy.

Threads like this make me laugh. A lot. TF2 & TF3 are not fundamentally different movies than TF1 -- and yet TF1 is held up to be some kind of "gold standard" of TF films. They are all plagued with the same problems -- shallow characterizations, juvenile humor, poor editing, nonsensical plotting, hackney dialogue ... and on and on and on ...

All three films share the same flaws, i agree, but not to the same extent. Everything that was bad about the first film was magnified in the second and then reached an extreme with the third. I don't think anyone is holding up Transformers as a "gold standard" of anything, it's just accepted as the least terrible of the three.
Think of it as a series of heart attacks, the first hurts, the second cripples you, and the third kills you. Objectively the first isnt the worst, but you sure as hell didn't enjoy it.
 
it's a 2 hour toy commercial, what do you expect, fucking Shakespeare?

Was it not the courageous former Predicon Dinobot in the episode Code of Hero in Beast Wars: Transformers who quoted Shakespeare's Hamlet when he said: "Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly; the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence"? Did he not paraphrase Hamlet in the episode Victory when he says "Ah Tarantulas, I knew him, Cheetor. This were the legs that stalked so many victims", and before his death began a monologue about whether he could choose his own destiny with the words, "To be or not to be"?

Sky-Byte the flying robot shark also reads from Hamlet in Transformers: Robots in Disguise. Unicron himself, Orson Welles, was an accomplished Shakespearean actor before drunkenly selling fish sticks. And Megan Fox has a King Lear quote as a tattoo on her back.

Is not the plight of Hot Rod in Transformers: The Movie essentially the same as that of Prince Hal in Henry IV, where he is transformed (see what I did there?) from a shallow man unconcerned by politics or duty to country into a leader by being crowned the king of England / given the matrix of leadership and becoming Henry V / Rodimus Prime respectively?

And is there anything more Shakespearean in tone than "Give me your face!"?

So, yes, because of that rich history of Shakespearean tie-ins to Transformers, I was totally confused by the giant laser-firing robots in the commercials and actually thought I was going to see a "fucking Shakespeare" film (unless by that you meant Shia LaBeef's family gets another dog named Shakespeare and multiple jokes about Mojo fucking it comprise the primary comedic element of the film). Well played, sir.

Apparently there's no middle ground to occupy between toy commercial and Shakespeare on the film quality spectrum, since you break out this cliché and "fvck all teh h8trs" at least three or four times a year in defense of the movies you love. More power to you on liking them by the way, because you serve as a great canary in a coal mine for telling me how lousy a film is going to be by how defensive you get about it before most people even see it.

I suspect the new Roland Emmerich film Anonymous is going to represent quite the conundrum for the "What were you expecting, fucking Shakespeare?" crowd. They're going to have to look up a whole new playwright.
 
I haven't seen the 3rd movie yet but I enjoyed the first 2. Of course, my expectations were incredibly low. I remember the cheesy 80's cartoons and expected the same cheese but with better special effects. And that's what we got.

Although, my son watches Transformers Prime on the Hub and that animated series is far better than both movies so there you go.
 
I actually liked the first one, didn't care for the second one (although John Turturro was fantastic) and have yet to see the third one. I guess my level of patience and allowance for sheer stupidity was met by the first film, and then dramatically succeeded by the second. I don't think one is better than the other. I think I was just more in the mood for that kind of movie at the time the first one came out in theaters.

I still need to see the third one.
 
You could make the same argument about the Spiderman trilogy. What a steaming pile of pus. I stopped after the first Transformers movie. What a load of garbage. But again, as pointed out, it's not Shakespeare.
 
You could make the same argument about the Spiderman trilogy.

Actually, I do. I loved the first one (much more so than I liked the first Transformers), and despite the popularity of the second, I didn't like it at all. The third one was just godawful.

But again, as pointed out, it's not Shakespeare.
But again, as pointed out, that's a stupid and tired analogy to use as an excuse. There's a wide range of quality and expectations that can come between shitty two-hour toy commercial and Shakespeare. To think that people have to just settle for one or the other is bizarre.

Since it was a Michael Bay film, I was not expecting Shakespeare during the first Transformers, yet still managed to enjoy it as entertaining fluff despite its faults (similar to, yet lesser, than the faults of the sequels). I didn't somehow forget what I was watching between one and two & three and escalate my quality demands to unreasonable levels. I expected the same entertaining fluff as the first, and they failed to deliver on even those meager expectations.
 
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The original cartoons have the same problem. Spike witwacky thart is his ame is even more of an idiot and I feel Shia is being confused with hias cchartacters.
 
Optimus Prime was turned into a psycho in 1986 when he was going to execute Megatron at the end of the Battle of Autobot City.

it's a goddamn war, between 30' tall robots, of course they're going to kill one another.
 
it's a 2 hour toy commercial, what do you expect, fucking Shakespeare?

Was it not the courageous former Predicon Dinobot in the episode Code of Hero in Beast Wars: Transformers who quoted Shakespeare's Hamlet when he said: "Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly; the ill deeds along with the good, and let me be judged accordingly. The rest... is silence"? Did he not paraphrase Hamlet in the episode Victory when he says "Ah Tarantulas, I knew him, Cheetor. This were the legs that stalked so many victims", and before his death began a monologue about whether he could choose his own destiny with the words, "To be or not to be"?

Sky-Byte the flying robot shark also reads from Hamlet in Transformers: Robots in Disguise. Unicron himself, Orson Welles, was an accomplished Shakespearean actor before drunkenly selling fish sticks. And Megan Fox has a King Lear quote as a tattoo on her back.

Is not the plight of Hot Rod in Transformers: The Movie essentially the same as that of Prince Hal in Henry IV, where he is transformed (see what I did there?) from a shallow man unconcerned by politics or duty to country into a leader by being crowned the king of England / given the matrix of leadership and becoming Henry V / Rodimus Prime respectively?

And is there anything more Shakespearean in tone than "Give me your face!"?

So, yes, because of that rich history of Shakespearean tie-ins to Transformers, I was totally confused by the giant laser-firing robots in the commercials and actually thought I was going to see a "fucking Shakespeare" film...

pearls, Locutus, pearls you're givin' here

Since it was completely wasted on these plebs, let me say that I salute you, sir.
 
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