I kind of wonder if Spock was being a bit vengeful in that episode, and planting a seed in Stonn's mind that might have eventually soured him on T'Pring altogether.
T'Pring was a missed opportunity
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Context.
There's that, and maybe some sour grapes over the fact that T'Pring didn't want him.
But really, with Kirk and Spock, James Bond, The Six Million Dollar Man, you name it, there always had to be some excuse to keep them from having a wife who lives to the end credits. They couldn't be "tied down," and so that whole aspect of adult life was closed off to them. Off the top of my head, Maxwell Smart is the only one I can think of who got married.
And I still think T'Pring would have made "Is There in Truth no Beauty" a cooler episode.
Yeah, Spock definitely has a mean streak at times. Look at ST09 where he tells the Vulcan council "Live long and prosper" with the same inflection as "Fuck you." (I think it was even written in the script directions that way.)
I think you're referring to a different Spock. In my view, JJ-Trek is a whole other universe, where only the names have not been changed.
The intent is they are the same character, especially at that point, so Jonny's example stands.
I'm sure one could find Prime examples as well.
Quoted with the pertinent phrase in bold.
Yes. I really don't see any reason why Spock's rejection of the Vulcan Science Academy in favor of Starfleet should have gone any differently in the Prime Universe. I wouldn't imagine that Spock's life started to diverge until he joined a Starfleet affected by the destruction of the Kelvin. YMMV.
I chose the ST09 example simply because it was the first one that occurred to me. If you want Prime Universe examples of Spock's mean streak, though, check out pretty much any Spock/McCoy fight, or Spock joking about Yeoman Rand's near-rape at the end of "The Enemy Within."
I believe I gave you the context.
Nope. Spock didn't just say it out of the blue. The context is what happened in the 45 minutes prior to that statement,who it was directed and why it was said.
Still, as I explained earlier, he didn't qualify his statement. He stated it as a general rule that his Vulcan rival might find out about.
Nope, not a rule,just an observation. What qualification would be needed? It was directed at Stonn and no one else.
A different formulation, maybe...
I understand your reasoning, but I also disagree that anything Quinto Spock has done has nothing to do with Mr. Spock in TOS, including bearded Mirror Spock and 5,000 years past Horny-Angry Spock.
I have a reason, that Nero changed the timeline when Spock was much younger than that incident you mentioned. Maybe Qspock's uncle was on the Kelvin and that affected him. Maybe the Kelvin would have delivered medical supplies to help someone Spock eventually met and influenced him. There's any number of things that could have changed every single aspect of all of the characters either before or after they were born to make them almost completely different people.
I am not disputing Mr. Spock's potential of being mean, though. I agree with that.
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Not to mention that in the Mirror universe they are all evil bastards and that means that they CAN be radically changed by circumstances.
I believe it was the novelization that mentions Spock's implications when delivering the traditional Vulcan aloha.
Re his statement about wanting and having, I imagine he was expressing his own thoughts. TOS Spock might have been looking forward to seeing her again after his other failed relationships, but what she had become since he last saw her soured him. He had this false idea in his head of her that was painfully proven untrue.
Re his statement about wanting and having, I imagine he was expressing his own thoughts. TOS Spock might have been looking forward to seeing her again after his other failed relationships, but what she had become since he last saw her soured him. He had this false idea in his head of her that was painfully proven untrue.
I would dispute that. At the beginning of the episode Spock says, "I'd hoped that I would be spared this..." I don't think that any part of Spock was looking forward to marrying T'Pring, but he was prepared to do it out of duty. He certainly doesn't seem sorry that he's leaving her behind at the end.
When you face an unwelcome event, you lie to yourself, or try to convince yourself it won't be as bad as you think. You hope for the best, even as you fear the worst. It was to his immense relief to be free from her for good, I agree.
I thought he meant he hoped, being half human, that he would be spared the full "madness" of the mating drive, which basically made, ahem, "marrying" T'pring beyond his control. Killing Kirk, for whatever reason, "broke the fever" and he could look at things rationally again.
Hence the Vulcan proverb: "Kill a man, starve a fever."
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