TOS Still The Best
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Oh I agree. TNG had some awesome episodes. Like the Picard "How many lights do you see?!" with the Cardassians, I think?
TOS is definitely a close second... but what was great about it was all the hot 60s chicks. ;-)
TOS is definitely a close second... but what was great about it was all the hot 60s chicks. ;-)
There are about ten forgotten shows to every "classic" show you can name. Shit is shit, and the past doesn't get a pass because it's shit was scripted.
I think its all dumbed down crap..... NOTHING AT ALL LIKE STUFF THAT CAME OUT IN THE 80s & EARLIERplynch said:
True, we haven't had good, intelligent TV since CHiPs, Three's Company, charlie's Angels, The Fall Guy, Dynasty and The A-Team. Also Knight Rider.
Seriously, every era has crap TV and every era has brilliant TV. We all have a favorite era. Some of the stuff on today is miles ahead of what critics called "a vast wasteland" in the 60's. Don't just lump everything in with Real Housewives of New Jersey and the like.
Threes Company was excellent television. So was Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
Threes Company was excellent television. So was Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
I liked Three's Company, but so much of the 70's was a TV wasteland. There were gems (MASH, All in the Family, Good Times) but so, so much crap.
Threes Company was excellent television. So was Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.
I liked Three's Company, but so much of the 70's was a TV wasteland. There were gems (MASH, All in the Family, Good Times) but so, so much crap.
All in the Family was and still is top notch. I also liked shows like Emergency! and Adam-12. They were procedural shows that managed to entertain and not show us the characters inner lives. Basically we learned all we needed to about the characters from watching them work. No overly dramatic turmoil crap that every show has today.
M*A*S*H*.... my all-time favorite show.
And neck and neck in the running:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
The West Wing
House, M.D.
Sherlock
And neck and neck in the running:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
The West Wing
House, M.D.
Sherlock
Buffy was a great show. I never saw the others. I was working tons back in those days.
TOS is still the best? Best of what?
The best Trek series? Okay, you've got me on that one. Although there are things I like later I still think TOS trumps it all overall.
Better than the Trek films? Again, no question. Although TMP is my favourite Trek film and the rest have their moments there's no question TOS is handily better overall. Better than the TOS films, way better than than the TNG films and the recent films I don't need to talk about.
Better than other SF?
Okay, that gets tougher. There really isn't much that I don't like in TOS, but other stuff has come along with some ideas I wish had been done in TOS. TOS remains my overall favourite SF production, but there are other things I also like very much.
But even after all these years and even with some of its fumbles I think TOS still offers a sound template for how to fashion SF for television.
The best Trek series? Okay, you've got me on that one. Although there are things I like later I still think TOS trumps it all overall.
Better than the Trek films? Again, no question. Although TMP is my favourite Trek film and the rest have their moments there's no question TOS is handily better overall. Better than the TOS films, way better than than the TNG films and the recent films I don't need to talk about.
Better than other SF?
Okay, that gets tougher. There really isn't much that I don't like in TOS, but other stuff has come along with some ideas I wish had been done in TOS. TOS remains my overall favourite SF production, but there are other things I also like very much.
But even after all these years and even with some of its fumbles I think TOS still offers a sound template for how to fashion SF for television.
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Having been a TOS fan(atic ?) since the BBC airing in the 70's and a TNG fan, during its video and then TV runs in the 80's, I must admit that TOS always does it right for me.
In the last 24 hours I have watched TOS Immunity Syndrome and TNG The Next Phase, and been overwhelming struck by the difference in feel between the two series. It is hard to put it fully into words, but I guess it is the directness and "honesty" of plot and characterization of TOS that grabs me. And TOS's lack of smugness and the dreaded "technobabble" of TNG.
DS9 & Voy never grabbed me (I tried hard -really) and I just can't take to NuTrek at all.
I starting getting into Ent, until the 9/11-alike plot took over, it was just too obsessive for me. I hold stronger opinions about that, but won't air them on an ST Forum.
So, for me, why TOS? I guess it feels more exploratory, more frontier, more rugged adventurers exploring the unknown and overcoming the challenges of the wider and wilder universe.
Just my opinion!
In the last 24 hours I have watched TOS Immunity Syndrome and TNG The Next Phase, and been overwhelming struck by the difference in feel between the two series. It is hard to put it fully into words, but I guess it is the directness and "honesty" of plot and characterization of TOS that grabs me. And TOS's lack of smugness and the dreaded "technobabble" of TNG.
DS9 & Voy never grabbed me (I tried hard -really) and I just can't take to NuTrek at all.
I starting getting into Ent, until the 9/11-alike plot took over, it was just too obsessive for me. I hold stronger opinions about that, but won't air them on an ST Forum.
So, for me, why TOS? I guess it feels more exploratory, more frontier, more rugged adventurers exploring the unknown and overcoming the challenges of the wider and wilder universe.
Just my opinion!
While TOS has my heart, you might want to try and put "The Immunity Syndrome" up against something like "Where Silence Has Lease" or "Contagion".
TOS has a dynamic--a certain something--that sets it apart. Part of that could be due to when it was made.
The essential concept is simple: a group of travelers finding adventure out in the unknown. You can play that all kinds of ways, but TOS managed to find a particular voice with verve to it.
I don't think it's any one thing, but rather a cumulative effect from many things coming together. The music is a good part of it being very evocative and emotive. After TOS and to some extent the films the scoring in Trek basically fell flat. It often didn't sound like anything and could even sap what little energy there was on the screen.
The Enterprise was depicted and identified with in a larger-than-life way that no other ship was afterward except at the beginning of TMP and a few other moments in the next two films.. After that it was just hardware in the rest of the films and throughout the other series.
The collection of characters were more distinct and vibrant (in my opinion).
TNG has its moments, but that crew just isn't as dynamic as the TOS crew. The TNG group come across as rather more sedate.
The essential concept is simple: a group of travelers finding adventure out in the unknown. You can play that all kinds of ways, but TOS managed to find a particular voice with verve to it.
I don't think it's any one thing, but rather a cumulative effect from many things coming together. The music is a good part of it being very evocative and emotive. After TOS and to some extent the films the scoring in Trek basically fell flat. It often didn't sound like anything and could even sap what little energy there was on the screen.
The Enterprise was depicted and identified with in a larger-than-life way that no other ship was afterward except at the beginning of TMP and a few other moments in the next two films.. After that it was just hardware in the rest of the films and throughout the other series.
The collection of characters were more distinct and vibrant (in my opinion).
TNG has its moments, but that crew just isn't as dynamic as the TOS crew. The TNG group come across as rather more sedate.
Verve. Nimoy as Spock. McCoy (anima/emo) arguing w/ Spock (animus/head); with Kirk an individual (literally "undivided") human in the center seat. And though an individual ("whole") he is complete only in his relationship to others (father of the crew).
The music. Adult, seasoned actors.
I like TNG fine. TOS was lightning in a bottle.
The music. Adult, seasoned actors.
I like TNG fine. TOS was lightning in a bottle.
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Totally this!
And as a long time player of the FASA ST roleplaying game (which was written for and perfectly fits the TOS era) I have two ways to enjoy that captured TOS lightning.
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While TOS has my heart, you might want to try and put "The Immunity Syndrome" up against something like "Where Silence Has Lease" or "Contagion".
I am familiar with both, and enjoyed them back in the day, but can't personally overcome the smugness and technobabble of TNG. TOS tech was just as potent, but it was always left in the background, not wheeled to center stage as with TNG. That combined with the smug superiority seemed to leech the whole sense of facing the challenges of the unknown that I think TOS captured so well.
As I was watching the Immunity Syndrome, I was reminded of
TNG's near equivalent, the Silicon Avatar. Again a unique, extremely powerful lifeform which had killed thousands, but a far different presentation, scope, theme and conclusion. TOS was about the mystery, the adventure, the relationship between the three leads, while TNG's was solely a tragedy, with an ending that again gave Picard another chance to moralize and display his perfection.
Different strokes for different folks, But I guess I prefer my Scifi to be about the external challenge and mystery, not about navel searching and preaching.
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Totally, moralizing and superior Picard, mind-intruding-
social worker Troi, Riker who wants to be a swashbuckler but is just Picards's parrot, and Worf the only wussy Klingon in all of trekdom.
And, don't even get me started on immaculate saviour Wesley!!!!
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