yep, since it referred to Star Trek after the First contact movie not the TOS Star TrekYou mean the post that I quoted in post 74?
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Insecure? I don't think that has anything to do with it honestly. It is about recognizing the people in the shows as human beings.
The actors or the characters?
The characters.
But not all the characters are humans. I find the 'must be able to empathise/relate with X beings' a bit uncomfortable maybe because I live on the opposite end of that spectrum in the real world. The 'cannot make a movie with humans who look a certain way' concept 'cos Bubba from Georgia won't be able to empathise or relate to said characters due to melanin issues'. Or maybe I am way off base with where you are going with this?
Like noted up thread, this is entertainment not a history of the future.
The audience needs to be able to relate to the characters trials and tribulations to at least some degree or most of your audience will simply lose interest and go watch The Walking Dead. It doesn't mean you can't introduce characters that aren't readily accessible, but they can't be the norm on any show.
Which proves my point, define' the norm'.
Well, Bubba from Georgia is only part of the equation.
For me, Spock was Star Trek's first "gay" character. But even though there were hardly any on TV at the time, Spock was built and delivered in such a way that audiences could relate to his struggles. Not knowing his place in the world, his struggles relating to people that were different than him, disapproval from his father.
Spock and Star Trek would probably be a TV footnote today if the entire cast had the same issues.
If the cast was a Vulcan crew roaming the galaxy of a Vulcan dominated Federation/Starfleet with one human on board you think it would have flopped in the 1960's?
You think the same concept would flop today?
If TOS was rebooted and most of the crew came from the African Federation or the United Republic of Asia with a few Caucasians to represent Europe and North America - think that would flop as well?
I do. But not quite what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines of everyone having personal issues that bubble up a lot. It would be more akin to a soap opera.
I do.
"Spock, do you want to know something? ...Everybody's human."
Even though many Trek characters are nominally aliens, what they really are are vehicles to comment on the human condition. It's about us. And at its best, science fiction can enable us to see things in a different light through allusion or metaphor in a way we might not be able to in a more straightforward or literal presentation. Identifying with Spock's struggles might help us to become more sensitive or empathetic in our everyday lives. Trek is a television adventure/drama, not a documentary on life in the future.
Probably. Or they would have to dilute the Vulcans and make them more human-like. Then again, that kinda already happened in ENT...
I prefer aliens to be alien, but that works best if there are 'normal' people to contrast them against. I don't think alien representation is at all the same thing as representation of real minorities, the aliens are not real, their feelings won't get hurt. That being said, it would be nice to see more diverse crews on SF ships; frankly, I think the main reason for human centricness is the make-up budget.
I hope not! I find the people who say that they cannot relate to people who are different gender or have different skin colour than them really disturbing.
I think its a metaphor for real life race relations. People who cannot relate based on skin colour and gendar are real life, they exist in their millions if not billiions, some if them are our own loved ones that we share a life with every day, it is the history of human race to treat someone physically externally different as 'the other'.
How many of us would pass a 'Guess who is coming to dinner' test?
In the Star Trek universe planetary racism does not exist, the idea of Sarek treating Tuvok negatively due to skin colour would be as immoral as asking him to eat his own child, perhaps specism is the real issue?
Can they act? If so, bring 'em on.
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