TOS Remastered
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On-topic: The CGI look of the ship didn't bother me too much. The maneuvering was questionable in many shots. What bothered me most, though, was the look of the planets. Instead of mysterious swirls we got well-defined, flat marbles. Blech.
The digital mattes are the most consistently successful of the new effects.
I figured I'd chime in here, since I just recently purchased all 3 seasons of TOS-R on DVD, and have been watching it with my friend.
I like what they have done with the overall film and sound... the actual footage looks awesome, and the picture is clearer, and more vibrant than ever. Also, they added background chatter and comm dialog in the Bridge and corridor scenes, which I like... it adds realism.
But my friend and I both dislike the CGI model of the Enterprise they used... it is the wrong color, and it just looks "too CGI-ish"... they should have just used the model of the Defiant they had from "In A Mirror, Darkly", and put Enterprise markings on it... that Defiant looked WAY better than the ship they ended up using.
And almost all of the new CGI effects, such as planets and stuff just look too cartoony... they simply look too different from the source material, which takes me out of the moment.
But the biggest gripe I have is actually with the opening credits... at least in the first season.... it seems like in the first season credits, they pump up the music, and really subdue the audio of Kirk's narration, to the point that Kirk's voice sounds more muted and distant... I REALLY dislike that, and wish they hadn't done it.
I like what they have done with the overall film and sound... the actual footage looks awesome, and the picture is clearer, and more vibrant than ever. Also, they added background chatter and comm dialog in the Bridge and corridor scenes, which I like... it adds realism.
But my friend and I both dislike the CGI model of the Enterprise they used... it is the wrong color, and it just looks "too CGI-ish"... they should have just used the model of the Defiant they had from "In A Mirror, Darkly", and put Enterprise markings on it... that Defiant looked WAY better than the ship they ended up using.
And almost all of the new CGI effects, such as planets and stuff just look too cartoony... they simply look too different from the source material, which takes me out of the moment.
But the biggest gripe I have is actually with the opening credits... at least in the first season.... it seems like in the first season credits, they pump up the music, and really subdue the audio of Kirk's narration, to the point that Kirk's voice sounds more muted and distant... I REALLY dislike that, and wish they hadn't done it.
Yeah, the opening credits are deafening - its always a scramble for the remote at our place as soon as the teaser ends.
I suggest switching to the mono track. The problem is that the new audio is in surround sound, and if your set isn't connected to a surround sound system, it does weird things to the audio.
Personally, I'm waiting until I get a BluRay player and just getting those.
Personally, I'm waiting until I get a BluRay player and just getting those.
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I love the remastered episodes. It's wonderful how the colors pop out now. When I watched them over the air, the colors were more subdued, the film quality faded and in need of refurbishing. I have watched the originals so many times I have them memorized by heart, so it's nice to see a fresh coat of paint on my favorite series, and I love the background/matte work. Starbase exteriors FTW! 
The sound level for the theme is much better on the blu-rays. But I still switch to the mono track. Never liked the new recording of the theme or the new sound mix. It's really cool I can do that. :-)
The argument wasn't that the originals "couldn't be released in HD", it was if they were released on their own on HD, some/many of the purchasers might have become very angry that there was no measurable improvement to the originals they already owned on DVD.
The argument was that the SFX wouldn't look very good at HD resolution (which they don't). I'm happy that I have a choice to view both versions.
In all the many, many threads and news items about ST in HD, I don't think I've ever come across this one. Do you mean that CBS thought the fans couldn't see the difference between SD and HD, and the only way to get them to buy it would be with cool new effects? Everything I read from the Okudas and CBS etc. was that they thought the original effects would look terrible in HD, not that the rest of the footage wouldn't look better in HD.
Doug
And that's what I meant. The FX of the originals, not the whole episodes. The rest of the footage was film. Of course that bit looks fine in HD.
Thanks. After I posted questioning your statement, I thought: "What's wrong with me? How dare I question the immense knowledge of our favorite Andorian?"
Doug
For the sake of clarity, the original effects footage is also on film. The problem is that cranked up to HD, all the little irregularities of optical compositing, that went relatively unnoticed on the typical color tv set back in the day (and started to become visible when the resolution of the typical home set doubled) become glaringly obvious.
I was happier as a child watching them on black and white fuzzy UHF than as an adult in HD.
If you give a baby a three-object mobile it makes him or her happy and interested. If you give 'em a 10-item mobile, THEN a three item mobile, the three item one now sucks. Where does it stop?
I do admit that Star Trek seemed more special back then.
After the glut of ST in HD in 2009 (all the movies and all 3 seasons), I'm definitely burned out. I'm taking a sabbatical from watching (but not from reading this forum, don't ask why) Trek for a while. I think we've become overly analytical about every little flaw and detail. I hope to come back and just enjoy the show like I used to do...but maybe we can't go back to Eden.
Doug
Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through. Struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.
Exactly. When the CGI revisions were starting, one of the team said that it was like trying to blow 8mm film up to 16mm, or 16mm up to 35mm film. The SFX footage lost clarity with each pass through the optical printer.
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