TOS Remastered

[Patrickivan]

I have no idea if this has been talked about here, but I was watching another episode of TOS remastered, and noted once again some less then stellar CGI or storyboarding for the CGI really.

It's how they make the ships fly around. They're banking and swooping, bouncing around... It all just looks so silly. I don't know why they spent so much time and money on something and then goofed it all up with silly scenes.

Am I the only one who noticed this? Could I be completely off my rocker here?

What are your thoughts on how ships move during dramatic scenes in TOS-R?

 

[plynch]

I in fact argued on a different thread that it changes the character of the noble Enterprise. Nownshe is not a tall ship, but an X Wing. Sometimes, anyway. I just keep watching my "old" DVDs.

 

[RAMA]

I don't think they were any faster or more "swooping" than say STII or the original FX when they could afford it. I think you're exaggerating.

RAMA

 

[FalTorPan]

I've watched only a couple handfuls of remastered TOS episodes, but I don't recall seeing any "X-Wing" maneuvers from the Big E.

 

[BDJ]

I know there are those that think the new effects are heresy but I enjoyed most of them. (I still have my original dvd sets too.) My only complaint came from early on when the space ship shots (say that fast five times, eh?) looked kinda "cartoony"!

 

[Forbin]

I've noticed. It looks ridiculous.

 

[Destructor]

I just made my colleague some tea, but it turns out they like coffee! What are your thoughts on coffee v. tea?

 

[MANT!]

Tea...

Oh and the new effects look grand in 1080P..the originals ..not so much...a limitation of the times they were made in....but I never saw a single "X-Wing" move made by the Big "E" in the new effects...

Educate me...

 

[BillJ]

Tea...

Oh and the new effects look grand in 1080P..the originals ..not so much...a limitation of the times they were made in....but I never saw a single "X-Wing" move made by the Big "E" in the new effects...

Educate me...

This.

 

[Captain Robert April]

I wonder if some folks are mixing in some traumatic memories of the fanfilm "In Harm's Way".

You wanna see the Enterprise dashing around like a Colonial Viper, that's the one right there.

 

[Zaku]

Nownshe is not a tall ship, but an X Wing. Sometimes, anyway. I just keep watching my "old" DVDs.

Excuse me, but exactly in which remastered episode the Enterprise flies like a "X-wing"? I have all the blue rays, but I don't remeber such a scene...

 

[KeepOnTrekking]

If you're one of the newer generations of fans you probably don't noticed it as much. But a lot of the course changes or flybys have a "feel" about them that just seems awkward to fans that grew up on the set number of standard shots of the ship.

I compare it to the orbit shots in the original fx. They were a few shots of the Enterprise that sat up in an orbit that just didn't "feel" right and later disappeared in the series in favor of the standard ones they used from then on.

It's like comparing apples and oranges. Everyone has their own preference. But I just try to remember the show's not about sfx or costumes or even, sometimes, the plot lines or actors. For me, it's about the characters and their optimistic view for the future.

 

[Zaku]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=star+trek+remastered+comparison&aq=f

A list of video of comparison classic fx-remastered fx.

So we can have some example

 

[BillJ]

I wonder if some folks are mixing in some traumatic memories of the fanfilm "In Harm's Way".

You wanna see the Enterprise dashing around like a Colonial Viper, that's the one right there.

That was downright painful... along with dozens of "Doomsday Machines" shooting around like sperm on speed.

I'm still waiting for someone to post where the Enterprise was moving around like an X-Wing fighter. The new effects have their issues, but in 1080p they're really the only way to go.

 

[plynch]

I don't think they were any faster or more "swooping" than say STII or the original FX when they could afford it. I think you're exaggerating.

RAMA

yes

 

[MANT!]

If you're one of the newer generations of fans you probably don't noticed it as much. But a lot of the course changes or flybys have a "feel" about them that just seems awkward to fans that grew up on the set number of standard shots of the ship.

I compare it to the orbit shots in the original fx. They were a few shots of the Enterprise that sat up in an orbit that just didn't "feel" right and later disappeared in the series in favor of the standard ones they used from then on.

It's like comparing apples and oranges. Everyone has their own preference. But I just try to remember the show's not about sfx or costumes or even, sometimes, the plot lines or actors. For me, it's about the characters and their optimistic view for the future.

Sorry, not a younger generation Fan ( Saw "The Man Trap" on NBC on it's premere at age 5)....I really don't see the "awkwardness" you see.. but maybe it's due to my 1080P set-up...

 

[Warped9]

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=star+trek+remastered+comparison&aq=f

A list of video of comparison classic fx-remastered fx.

So we can have some example

Some of the new f/x are fine, but there some I don't care for at all. I don't like the redone Romulan BoP with the so obvious plating---just looks awful. I also prefer the original hangar deck shots to the new f/x. The new ones just look cartoony. I also don't like how they needlessly changed the design of the ship in "Spock's Brain" rather than just refine the original design. I also don't like the new version of the Tholian ships.

That's just for starters.

 

[The Lensman]

I'm of mixed feelings regarding re-mastered. On the one hand, I do agree that certain shots, while not "X-wing" like, were a bit faster than the graceful "tall ship" feeling the old FX did. For an example of a faster moving ship...when the Enterprise enters and exits the Galactic Barrier, when it approaches the asteroid in "This Side Of Paradise" are the two that jump out.

Also, sometimes the edits or shot composition just wasn't there. Bad editing....in "The Cage" the Enterprise approaches Talos from under the planet, clearly heading towards the night side of the planet....yet on the screen, just seconds later, they're viewing the day side.

In the new stock orbit shot, the Enterprise was too high on the screen, I guess to pull off a smooth "from this side to the other side shot", where in the original FX, it was two shots. Enterprise from the front coming round the planet, next shot from behind as it continues going around the planet. To make that one shot, ship was annoyingly high.

Now, aside from that, what I did love about the project is that for me, that world just seems "fuller"..or more realized. "Court Martial"...always an ok ep, now it's one of my faves because Starbase 11 just feels so much more real. And I was actually surprised that the original guys never thought of running a shuttle silhouette across the matte painting of the starbase like the new guys. But I loved the little touches like that. Or having Starbase 11 in the window behind Pike. Or changing up where they re-used matte paintings or ships from previous eps.

And I couldn't stand the new shuttlebay. It just didn't match the rest of the footage in anyway, and is really jarring to me. They really should've made an extra effort to get this bit right....Dochterman did.

All in all, I prefer the remasters for their broadening of the original Trek. And of course the color really pops too!

 

[RAMA]

I've noticed. It looks ridiculous.

Did you ever watch the original opening credits of TOS???? NOW THAT is swooping. You guys are hilarious.

RAMA

 

[Patrickivan]

Just to clarify my position on the subject. I'm not comparing the new effects to the original. There is no comparison. They couldn't do have the stuff with their budget that was done now.

And while I wouldn't say the ships now move like an x-wing, the best example that I can quickly pull up right now is from the Ultimate computer- around 1:13 here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToLrAz2TV9A

When the Enterprise takes a shot at her sister ship, then quickly rolls and banks like a fighter plane.

It is scenes like that in which I am refering...

As for ST II's comparison. I have absolutely no idea why anyone here would suggest those ships did anything swoopy in the least. The fighting style was blatantly and admittedly modeled after how 18th century ships fought. Slow and in close quarters. There wasn't one scene in that movie that is even remotely close to anything in TOS-R... Even the basic fly bys are faster in TOS-R.

And that's another thing, the fly bys in TOS and TOS-R aren't unusual other then the odd pitch the ship seems to be on... It's just fast. There are no swoops in the opening scene- I have no idea what RAMA is talking about there...

They really have turned the ships into something modeled more after fighter craft during emergency evasive action scenes, and it just doesn't look right for large ships like that.