TOS-R Blu-ray leak from Norway!!

[Outpost4]

ST-One, lighten up. Everyone has to make this decision for themselves. CaptainHawk1's concerns are very valid. I have 30 years in the retail consumer electronics industry and have seen many formats come and go. Being the early adopter I am, I have bought most of them (I still have working Betamax and LaserDisc players) but I can certainly understand anybody wanting to sit a format change out until they are sure it will be popular, especially with a Sony product, who lives (Walkman) and dies (MiniDisc) by supporting the next-great-format.

Some folks want only the latest and greatest. You are obviously one of those. Most people aren't.

I'll buy a Blu-ray player soon, probably the new Oppo one coming out to replace my Oppo DVD player. And, BTW, I own an HD DVD player, too. But I can perfectly understand anybody who says they don't need one. Heck, most of my friends still don't own a hi-def television. They have to buy one of those first.

 

[ST-One]

ST-One, lighten up. Everyone has to make this decision for themselves. CaptainHawk1's concerns are very valid. I have 30 years in the retail consumer electronics industry and have seen many formats come and go. Being the early adopter I am, I have bought most of them (I still have working Betamax and LaserDisc players) but I can certainly understand anybody wanting to sit a format change out until they are sure it will be popular, especially with a Sony product, who lives (Walkman) and dies (MiniDisc) by supporting the next-great-format.

Some folks want only the latest and greatest. You are obviously one of those. Most people aren't.

I'll buy a Blu-ray player soon, probably the new Oppo one coming out to replace my Oppo DVD player. And, BTW, I own an HD DVD player, too. But I can perfectly understand anybody who says they don't need one. Heck, most of my friends still don't own a hi-def television. They have to buy one of those first.

Actually I wanted to wait longer myself to see how Blu-Ray fares... but I also wanted a PS3 (for the games) so the BD-player is only a nice, added bonus for me.

 

[Ssosmcin]

you realize they are also cutting the Operation: retrieve scene and the scene with Spock, Scott & Valeris in the torp Room?

Yup, well aware of it. To remove those will take out the "clean their chronometers" line, which I never liked, and the "Klingon bitch" remark from Scotty, which also seemed out of character. Neither of these scenes were favorites of mine, so I don't mind losing them as well as the unmasking, since it doesn't stand up to logic.

I'll go into more detail if you want, but I think the film works better when the foiled assassin is actually Klingon.

I'm funny this way: I don't mind added scenes, even if they suck. But I want the theatrical version I originally saw and enjoyed to be available as well. Star Trek 6 never had the theatrical version released in any form before. I feel the same way about the original series. They can make all the new SFX they want, but don't replace the originals with it.

 

[guardian]

Agreed both versions should be available.

I only meant, not everybody understands what the 'theatrical version' constitutes. Some folks WILL be surprised at the deletion of those scenes and some of those folks MAY like those scenes.

I happen to like the first two scenes added to TUC and care neither way on the third. I will miss them and will have to wait for a later Director's version.

But at least the fans who read this will be aware--more casual fans may not.

 

[Noname Given]

Well, I for one wish they had been more 'forward thinking' when they did the new effects for the Director's Cut of ST:TMP. It's the ONLY truely watcable cut of that film; and made the film enjoyable to me again. I do not want to own the Theatrical Cut on Blu-Ray.

 

[guardian]

The Theatrical is my least favorite version----the SLV is far better with all the character bits added back. (although obviously a very slow movie)

They easily could have put the Thearical & the SLV on the same disc because the share the visual FX and sound FX etc.----unlike the DC.

I would have bought such a 'combo' disc as a stop-gap until they came out with the DC, but now I have no interest in buying this release.

So I would have accepted a double-dip but apparently they may want us to have a triple dip. Wait a couple of years after the DC is released and they might say.....

"...due to popular demand we are releasing the SLV version on Blu-ray!!"

 

[ACE]

I'm quite certain that Paramount will offer the extended cuts of the movies and the Director's Cut of the first film on Blu at sometime in the future. They are always happy to be able to sell you something more than once.

For the time being, I will be quite happy with the theatrical versions in high def. I personally prefer those cuts for all of the films save for the first one, and even the first one will be good to have in the theatrical version, including the original sound mix and effects tracks.

What I am looking forward to the most is the release of the original series on Blu-ray and have access to the restored original network cuts without the cgi effects and satirical rerecording of the opening themes.

 

[Hober Mallow]

What I am looking forward to the most is the release of the original series on Blu-ray and have access to the restored original network cuts without the cgi effects and satirical rerecording of the opening themes.

Amen. I just hope they've put some effort into restoring and transferring the original so that the picture quality isn't piss poor compared to the Trek Remastered episodes.

 

[ACE]

What is nice about this Blu-ray release is that both versions of the show (original or with cgi effects) will be available for viewing via seamless branching. Since each episode was fully rescanned and cleaned up before the inclusion of the replacement cgi effects, both versions will benefit from the remastering process and will look stunning in HD.

I, for one, am looking forward to seeing the original effects shots presented in high definition, regardless of any inherent grain or matte problems that will be revealed. It will be nice to hear the original theme and Ms. Norman's voice again rather than the satirical re-recording from the remastered versions.

Nope, sorry.

There is absolutely no word and very little likelihood of seamless branching.

It's not stated in ANY report by Bill Hunt or trekmovie.com.

They simply stated two versions will be available---nothing more.

Paramojnt HAS NEVER released a songle DVD or Blu-ray with seamless branching and is not likely to start now....

There are several possibilites of what the two versions mentioned actually mean...........

A Blu-ray version with the new FX and...........

a. a standard definition version with the old FX AND the dirty old prints seen before

b. a standard definition version with the olf FX with the new cleaned up prints or

c. a second high defintion version with the old FX with the new cleaned up prints.

Also no word if the second version will be on a separate disc or combined on the same disc as the hi def version.

None of this has been answered for sure.

Seamless branching of course would ONLY work with option 'C' as both would have to be hi-def to 'share' the branching.
I do very strongly hope for branching, but do not expect it.

we'll see in the next few weeks as the official announcement is made

Perhaps you should read the "official" announcement news to see that I was absolutely correct in everything I originally stated.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa165.html#startrekannounce


The U.S. release for the original series season one is slated for April 28th, to be followed a few weeks later by the first six movies on May 12th.

As I stated earlier, the original series will be offered in both the original broadcast versions and the cgi "enhanced" versions VIA SEAMLESS BRANCHING.

 

[guardian]

What is nice about this Blu-ray release is that both versions of the show (original or with cgi effects) will be available for viewing via seamless branching. Since each episode was fully rescanned and cleaned up before the inclusion of the replacement cgi effects, both versions will benefit from the remastering process and will look stunning in HD.

I, for one, am looking forward to seeing the original effects shots presented in high definition, regardless of any inherent grain or matte problems that will be revealed. It will be nice to hear the original theme and Ms. Norman's voice again rather than the satirical re-recording from the remastered versions.

Nope, sorry.

There is absolutely no word and very little likelihood of seamless branching.

It's not stated in ANY report by Bill Hunt or trekmovie.com.

They simply stated two versions will be available---nothing more.

Paramojnt HAS NEVER released a songle DVD or Blu-ray with seamless branching and is not likely to start now....

There are several possibilites of what the two versions mentioned actually mean...........

A Blu-ray version with the new FX and...........

a. a standard definition version with the old FX AND the dirty old prints seen before

b. a standard definition version with the olf FX with the new cleaned up prints or

c. a second high defintion version with the old FX with the new cleaned up prints.

Also no word if the second version will be on a separate disc or combined on the same disc as the hi def version.

None of this has been answered for sure.

Seamless branching of course would ONLY work with option 'C' as both would have to be hi-def to 'share' the branching.
I do very strongly hope for branching, but do not expect it.

we'll see in the next few weeks as the official announcement is made

Perhaps you should read the "official" announcement news to see that I was absolutely correct in everything I originally stated.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa165.html#startrekannounce


The U.S. release for the original series season one is slated for April 28th, to be followed a few weeks later by the first six movies on May 12th.

As I stated earlier, the original series will be offered in both the original broadcast versions and the cgi "enhanced" versions VIA SEAMLESS BRANCHING.

Uh no. You are a moron with an "I told you so" complex.

YOU made a guess that it would be available with seamless branching---an uninformed guess. No report prior to the offficial announcement made a declaritive statement of seamless branching. They only said both versions would be available.

Every word of my post is accurate. Pramount had never in 10 years of DVD or Blu-ray released a single title with seamless branching (with a lone exception*) It seemed unlikely that they would start now.

Thnak goodness for our sakes they have chosen to do so for this release. It was unexpected but very welcome news.

But they chose NOT to release TWOK & TUC with seamless branching but prefer the eventual double-dip.

Possibly because Paramount defers to CBS video for the original series they let CBS make the decision on branching.

They infact chose the option I listed as 'C'---both versions in Hi-def one with the old Fx & the other with the CGI via seamless branching.

If you had been honest and simply posted, "My guess turned out to be true--they are releasing the series with seamless branching!" I would have tipped my hat to you.
But to quote my post as if I didn't know what I was talking about and as if you were an insider with info not yet relased makes you an immature person--imagine that.

By the way find a link to any declaritive statement about seamless branching being definately included dated before Feb 16 and i will eat all of these words happily.
But it wasn't and you just guessed right--with little knowledge of Paramounts history of not doing seamless branching.

In any event I'm happy for all of the fans of both versions of TOS.

*The one exception was Apocalypse Now where Coppola insisted on seamless branching and Paramount probably make him spring for the cost.

 

[ScatmanRescueMe]

I read (re-read) the original info from Bill Hunt (who started all the pre-offical release frenzy) he nowhere stated seamless branching would be included--only that both versions would be available.

That non-specific statement led to multiple theories of how it would be included (including in this forum)

There's are many threads on various Blu-ray sites---DVD TOWN, HIDEFDIGEST, Blu-ray.com, Home thear Forum etc. where specualtion ran ranpant. Paramount had no history of branching, preferring double-dip instead.

The fact that they went with branching (for the TV series only) was a great surprise. I really wish they'd done it with TMP (Thearical & SLV) & WOK & TUC.

But I'll choose to be happy for what we got and not what we didn't.

I didn't see any factual errors in Guardians first post.....

He siad the Bill Hunt article wasn't specific about how they'd feature both versions
He said branching was possible (though unlikely as choice C).
He said he hoped it would be branched and
He said 'time would tell'

No errors there and i hope if they had come WITHOUT branching he wouldn't have quoted your post to make you look stupid.

 

[ScatmanRescueMe]

Here's the article from Digitalbits that started it from January 23rd...........

Just FYI, this report is cross-posted today both here at The Bits and at Trek Movie.com…
Okay, we've got a major Star Trek Blu-ray update for you this morning. As you know, select release details and cover art images have leaked from European studio sources this week (see our post from yesterday), but there's been conflicting information as to what exactly the release will entail here in the States. In order to answer these questions, we've checked in repeatedly with Digital Bits and Trek Movie industry sources and we're now able to bring you accurate, updated details. Keep in mind that none of this is official until actual studio announcements are made, and these details are still subject to change. But here's the latest...
As originally reported back in November on The Digital Bits, Star Trek I-VI will be released on Blu-ray in the U.S. in May in a 6-film "Kirk/Spock" box set, each with remastered picture and sound. This set will include Star Trek V here in the States, though other regions may offer different disc configurations/packaging options. Star Trek I, II and VI will each be the original theatrical versions. (If I'm not mistaken, this would mark the first time that The Undiscovered Country has EVER been available on home video in its theatrical version - even on VHS - and the first time that The Motion Picture has been available in its theatrical version since its VHS and Laserdisc release. Note that we also expect the remaining Next Generation films to be released in a 4-film Blu-ray box set at a later date.) At least some new extras have been created for this release, including "famous fan" commentary tracks for each film, as well as a featurette offering select scenes from a Klingon performance of Hamlet by the Commedia Beauregard (filmed in St. Paul, Minnesota - see the group's original press release and this previous report at Trek Movie). It's unknown yet whether these will be BD-exclusive, or if there will be a simultaneous standard DVD release.

(HERE'S THE PART ABOUT TOS SEASON ONE.........)

What's more, we've learned that CBS will finally release Star Trek: The Original Series - Season One on Blu-ray on the same street date in May as the movies. The release is currently planned to include BOTH the original broadcast versions as well as the new Remastered versions of each episode. If this happens as planned, it's obviously very cool news, though we're still waiting to hear whether the Blu-rays will include all of the special features that were offered with the previous DVD and HD-DVD/DVD Combo releases of the series.
May is still far enough away that it could be a month or more before we see official announcements, but The Digital Bits and Trek Movie.com are in contact with the studio and we hope to have more to report from them very soon.
Stay tuned...

Any mention of branching??


There are quite a few things that have been clarified since that post (release dates etc) , but clearly no mention was made of branching by anyone other than fans until the official announcemnet on Feb 16. It was all specualtion until then........

I would like to specualte that the Director's cuts of 1,2 & 6 will come out this year with all kinds of deleted scenes as well. And if you challenge me & I turn out to be right I'm so gonna shove it in your face.

 

[Mooch]

It looks like ACE was right on the ball to me.

 

[ScatmanRescueMe]

He made a bogus guess and then acted like a genius and tried to make another poster look dumb. very admirable.

Don't rely on knowledge, make stupid a guess and when you turn out to by lucky, act arrogant.

 

[Dar70]

Every single episode was played with and some episodes and scenes are ruined for me because of these issues. Some of their sound effect decisions are also baffling. We have never actually had "the original versions" on DVD.

I'll will bet they still will be "played with". Im keeping my original standard dvds. If anything they are probably the closest we will get to the original brodcasts on dvd. At least they will have that pseudo analog look to them. I dont want perfectly clear HD star Trek. I want it closer to what I remember on old tv airings.

 

[Mallory]

Uh no. You are a moron with an "I told you so" complex.

Calling someone a moron is a flame guardian. Knock it off and don't let it happen again, OK?

 

[ACE]

At 73, I am hardly immature. Hopefully, a step above a moron.

Perhaps I may have been peripherally involved in the creation of the Blu-ray versions? I may even have been consulted a few times during the earlier scanning and restoration process about the existence and/or location of some of the original film elements. Perhaps I was also informed about the intended process to be used because of my being a strong proponent that the original versions continue to be accessible to the public at the best possible quality, rather than be lost to time.

A lot of people whose names you've probably never heard of put a lot of love, sweat and hard work into the creation of the original program and many of those that are left still care very deeply and feel that the show was something special - and continues to be.

I couldn't be happier that this show is finally coming out on the best possible consumer high-definition format that will allow the viewer to watch either the remastered original or cgi versions of the show, therefore preserving much of a lot of very talented people's work for future generations (like yourselves) to appreciate, if you so choose.

When the release information was leaked, I couldn't resist jumping in and mentioning the seamless branching feature because I mistakenly thought that there were those in the forums who would be as excited as I was that these were soon to be available.

Sorry to those who thought that it was simply a wild guess on my part. It wasn't.
Perhaps it was a little premature, but hardly immature, on my part. I leave the immature comments to others.

 

[T'Bonz]

At 73, I am hardly immature. Hopefully, a step above a moron.

Fantastic! Someone on the board older than I!

 

[Outpost4]

Thanks for the info, ACE.

Nice post, BTW. You did make one error, though. You said, "I mistakenly thought that there were those in the forums who would be as excited as I was that [HD versions of both the original and remastered effects] were soon to be available." You were not mistaken.

Stick around, won't you?

 

[guardian]

The old "I'm an insider!" cop out.... that never fails to save the day.

And that, "Nyah, nyah--I told you so post, dummy!" (after a 3 week time period inc my quote ) was made by a 73 year old person? Wow, sad to hear that nonsense never gets out-grown by some people

I too, am glad that we get both versions and that some folks will get their coveted mono soundtrack and that the starting MSRP is $99 less.

This is a win for everyone.