TOS Purists of TrekBBS - Unite!
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number6
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He'll continue to protest, even if they find a way to build a time machine that alters the past so GR gets to make a fourth season!!
Some of this talk reminds me of a baseball fan who loved the NY Yankees 1962 World Series Championship team, but after the team members changed over the years would not allow themselves to enjoy the team, mainly because it was no longer the same team. It seems a shame that they would miss out on all that came after.
You don't have to completely embrace each season in order to enjoy- to some extent- what follows....
You don't have to completely embrace each season in order to enjoy- to some extent- what follows....
number6
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True enough.
I could imagine a bunch of these guys really liking DS9 and even bits of ENT.
Couldn't care less what they think of my opinion. Their single minded defense of such a pedantic point of view will never impress me, nor endear me to their limited cause, whatever the hell that's supposed to be.
Agreed. I love TOS, but life moves on. Even in VOY and ENT, the two series I like the least, I can find things I enjoy about certain eps.
number6
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It doesn't matter if you or I "accept" it. TPTB will do what they need to without your permission.
It's out there. You can be entertained by it or stick your head in the sand and pretend it never happened.
The essential point is there is no law that says you have to like and accept everything done under the Trek name. It's not blasphemy or sinful or illegal or even misguided to refuse to accept something you don't approve of.
This thread was supposedly for folks who generally look at TOS as the "real" Star Trek (so to speak) and generally don't bother with the rest of it that followed. There's nothing wrong with that. Except that there are individuals who insist on trying to discredit us and prove that there's something wrong with us because we don't care for most anything else other than TOS.
If you like the franchise all as one thing than goody for you. You can do that. Equally there's nothing wrong with those of us not accepting it all as one thing.
I've enjoyed some aspects of the films, but mostly I stay out of those discussions because I don't see enough there for me. I like parts of TNG, but not enough of it that so that I rarely post in the TNG forum. I have no remaining interest in DS9 so I don't participate in those forums. I absolutely hate VOY and ENT and so other than some initial forays when ENT got going I've stayed out of those forums. And after making some posts initially regarding the Abrams film that I hate so damned much I've stayed out of that forum. It boils down to me not going into those forums to berate fans of those shows for accepting something I think little to nothing of.
Would that some around extend TOS fans the same courtesy.
This thread was supposedly for folks who generally look at TOS as the "real" Star Trek (so to speak) and generally don't bother with the rest of it that followed. There's nothing wrong with that. Except that there are individuals who insist on trying to discredit us and prove that there's something wrong with us because we don't care for most anything else other than TOS.
If you like the franchise all as one thing than goody for you. You can do that. Equally there's nothing wrong with those of us not accepting it all as one thing.
I've enjoyed some aspects of the films, but mostly I stay out of those discussions because I don't see enough there for me. I like parts of TNG, but not enough of it that so that I rarely post in the TNG forum. I have no remaining interest in DS9 so I don't participate in those forums. I absolutely hate VOY and ENT and so other than some initial forays when ENT got going I've stayed out of those forums. And after making some posts initially regarding the Abrams film that I hate so damned much I've stayed out of that forum. It boils down to me not going into those forums to berate fans of those shows for accepting something I think little to nothing of.
Would that some around extend TOS fans the same courtesy.
number6
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There is something wrong with you, especially when someone who is a fan of the same TOS as you are comes and tells you, "Hey check this out, you might enjoy it," and not only do you refuse to even attempt to try to enjoy it, you continuously insist on berating and insulting the very people who are as much a fan as you are by making the statements you do. It is disingenuous for you to sit here and complain that you are being judged harshly. You might want to try reading your own posts.
I don't understand why liking TOS always has to preclude liking anything else with you people.
This is precisely why the whole concept of TOS "purity" disgusts me, as do you, sir.
I don't understand why liking TOS always has to preclude liking anything else with you people.
This is precisely why the whole concept of TOS "purity" disgusts me, as do you, sir.
And likewise you disgust me. Liking TOS doesn't preclude me from liking other things except in this case most of what followed TOS. That's my opinion and I don't have to fucking apologize for it or defend it. After all these years I've had enough of your disingenuous shit. I don't have one goddamned thing to apologize for except for putting up with the likes of assholes like you and a few like others around here.
What really bothers you and others like you is that we don't suck the tit of those who put out stuff that you've accepted. And you can't stand it! And to that I can only invoke two often used letters of the alphabet.
Moderators, I'll take my warning now. I'll wear it as a badge of honour for having to tolerate dicks like this guy.
number6
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I stand by this statement. No amount of namecalling or "interpretation" will change that.
Now I'm not trying to pour gas on the fire here, but it seems to me that most of those involved with the actual production of Star Trek moved beyond the original series a long time ago. At the Vegas Con, Shatner said he's seen the movie, and he liked it. Nimoy went out of his way to praise Zachary Quinto and talk about how proud he was that someone of his caliber would continue the role of Spock.
I'm curious about how people can reconcile that with the idea of a "pure" Trek. If even those who actually brought the show to life have moved beyond it, why shouldn't we?
I know things got a little heated upthread, and I'd like to keep this away from ad hominem attacks. I don't know any of you personally, I don't have an axe to grind against anyone, and I'm not interested in trying to win an argument with anyone. I'd just like to have a conversation about Star Trek.
I'm curious about how people can reconcile that with the idea of a "pure" Trek. If even those who actually brought the show to life have moved beyond it, why shouldn't we?
I know things got a little heated upthread, and I'd like to keep this away from ad hominem attacks. I don't know any of you personally, I don't have an axe to grind against anyone, and I'm not interested in trying to win an argument with anyone. I'd just like to have a conversation about Star Trek.
Reliant, not Grissom.
number6
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These people won't even reconcile TOS-R with the blessings and praise given by Bob Justman himself.
To answer your question, the TOS purists will almost invariably determine that Shatner and Nimoy were somehow bribed by Paramount to like the film.
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Why couldn't the Enterprise be built on the ground? What precludes it? Where is the evidence that San Francisco Shipyards was even in space or in orbit? To the point of the matter, was the shipyards ever seen visually? Was it ever describe on screen?
number6
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There is nothing to preclude its construction on the ground, but even implying such sets off a shitstorm with some "fans."
Well, there are little factors like precedence (every other ship we've seen under construction was in an orbital drydock, most notably NX-01 a hundred years earlier) and common sense (building a starship the size of an aircraft carrier on the ground strains credibility as it is, but with the upsizing of the ship so that it's bigger than the E-D, we find ourselves crossing the realm of plausibility and into the Star Wars land of magic technology; give Kirk a lightsaber and the journey to the Dark Side is complete).
Its funny that such close-minded people take such heart in a show about being open-minded. Irony in onto itself. Especially with the term purist, which is the anti-thesis to Star Trek's underlying belief.
Well, if the Federation can travel between the stars, build montrous space stations, dissemble molecule by molecule a living being and beam it somewhere else to be reconfigured back to its original form, have a device that allows organic beings to survive the speeds of warp and impulse, then the Federation can build a starship on a planet.
Well, if the Federation can travel between the stars, build montrous space stations, dissemble molecule by molecule a living being and beam it somewhere else to be reconfigured back to its original form, have a device that allows organic beings to survive the speeds of warp and impulse, then the Federation can build a starship on a planet.
