And Tasha's yellow shirts get taken out. Might of been different on a TMP era starship.
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TOS movies are so flawed
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And Tasha's yellow shirts get taken out. Might of been different on a TMP era starship.
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I find it hard to classify any of that as flaws really.
David Marcus was quite a well drawn character. A figure with the recognisable traits of both father and mother. He kicks against his father with his resentment of Starfleet but is also quite like his father in temperament. I like the reconciliation between the two and how stung Kirk is that it was but a brief reconcilation before he was taken from him.
Sybok is a somewhat satirical dig on Spock's remarkable and unhuman capacity to clam up and not volunteer information that isn't immediately relevant to anything. If it was up to Spock, Kirk would've never been informed that Sarek was his father and this is that trait coming to the fore again. Sybok becomes a catalyst to some remarkable acting from Kelley, Nimoy and Shatner later in that film.
I have no real problem with Kirk being amiable and correct to small groups of Klingons or individual Klingons whilst letting his resentment burst forth when he feels the Federation is put at risk at the near collapse of the Klingon Empire; which promises unknown changes across the galaxy. Kirk lost his son, he doesn't want to lose the Federation as well.
I've just seen the The Motion Picture (Director's Cut) and it's great soundtrack, world building, and SFX surrounding a plot that's pretty threadbare and stilted, but still grand.
I assume the dirt not getting scrubbed from V'Ger's primitive Earth probe core was more the fundamental mistake of its alien AI creators being far too literal, mechanical, binary, and unimaginative (pointing out a blind spot in machine lifeforms not emulating biological life and "thinking outside the box").
And there's a fan theory formed that Voyager 6 did not drop through a blackhole, but a dimensional rift that transported it across the universe to another galaxy and back in time (tens or hundreds of thousands years ago). It makes more sense when Voyager 6, reborn as V'Ger, became so gargantuan and alien looking just a couple of centuries later (and it mapped out whole galaxies on its long trip back to Earth).
I assume the dirt not getting scrubbed from V'Ger's primitive Earth probe core was more the fundamental mistake of its alien AI creators being far too literal, mechanical, binary, and unimaginative (pointing out a blind spot in machine lifeforms not emulating biological life and "thinking outside the box").
And there's a fan theory formed that Voyager 6 did not drop through a blackhole, but a dimensional rift that transported it across the universe to another galaxy and back in time (tens or hundreds of thousands years ago). It makes more sense when Voyager 6, reborn as V'Ger, became so gargantuan and alien looking just a couple of centuries later (and it mapped out whole galaxies on its long trip back to Earth).
By now it's obvious that Decker was correct to say "Used to call a black hole", referring more likely to an unstable wormhole of some sort. This would account for the damage to Voyager 6, while also making easier for it to have survived the journey. The real question becomes, how far away did it actually end up, and how did it know where to go to return home?
You're missing the point.
You can portray the fear and prejudice that Starfleet has towards the Klingons, in the same way that American government and/or military would express fear and prejudice about the Soviets during the Cold War and vice versa.
Kirk alone holding a grudge against the Klingons for what happened to his son...that's understandable even if it wasn't an issue for the previous two films. Him playing up the threat of the Klingons, which were analogues for the Soviets, make sense over the course of the TV series and films. But Starfleet admirals and the rest of the Enterprise crew suddenly using racially charged language from the 1960s is sudden considering they never did that previously. Admiral Cartwright saying that Klingons would become the "space trash of the galaxy" is a socially racist perspective that doesn't match the security threat that they're arguing for. It's forced so the writer/director can provide heavy-handed commentary on racism. And again, that's in conjunction with how the previous film ended when the Enterprise crew is celebrating with the Klaa's Klingon crew, and Ambassador General Korrd and the Federation Ambassador are commenting on how far they've come in such a short time, and Klaa and Captain Kirk exchange warrior salutes.
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I'm not missing the point. I am fully aware of what your point is. I just disagree with the point, because I think TFF is the outlier, that Kirk's warrior salute to Klaa is about as half-hearted as it possibly can be. Since we have never seen admirals addressing Klingons then we have no idea what their attitude would be.
In any case, it is not as jarring to me as it is to you.
The solar system map on it's side, along with the tasteful human nudes?
Really that only helps once you're in-system. How did they know where to find the system? Did this machine race visit Earth at one point, and what did they do here if they did? Each answer prompts another question.
V'Ger likely learned more about the UFP and Earth as a possible lead to its origins after it absorbed the Epsilon facility.
What? That is actually a pulsar map inspired by the Pioneer and Voyager plaques, and the three ovals on the right depicting Earth's continental drift was taken from the LAGEOS satellite.
There is a solar system map towards the bottom? As well as nude humans. Not sure what King Daniel said that was inaccurate.
There is a solar system map towards the bottom? As well as nude humans. Not sure what King Daniel said that was inaccurate.
Aside from the hyperfine transition the only other graphic on the left side of the Voyager 6 plaque in this screencap is the pulsar map (good for locating the Solar System from essentially anywhere in the Milky Way). The schematic illustration of the sun and nine planets below the pulsar map in the original Pioneer plaque do not appear to have been reproduced for the ST:TMP prop.
Is there such a thing as tasteless human nudes?
That's a shame. What a waste of perfectly good nudes.
Perhaps when they involve ugly people?
Ooohhhh
Hmmm....I don't find the nude human body tasteless so I'm going to with No.
This can go so wrong...
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