TOS Hypothetical Question

[SevrinThree]

Hello Classic Trekkers --
Here's a hypothetical question that my friends and I continue to enjoy debating, would love to hear people's thoughts:
Q: What Star Trek shows/movies would you be willing to sacrifice in exchange for a 4th season of classic Trek? As a part of the deal, the quality of the shows would be at least equal to 3rd season Trek. Consider that the alternate universe gods would only accept the deal if the value of the sacrificed Trek was sufficient. For example, "I'd give up the second season of Enterprise" probably wouldn't cut it. What would?
For me, I think I'd could offer Voyager, Enterprise, and all the movies after ST IV. A solid fourth season is just too awesome to consider. Thoughts?

 

[DonIago]

No deal. The 3rd season of TOS wasn't all that great, and I don't think a season of a show with a '60s look would be a big hit in modern times. Every season of each of the other shows has had at least a few episodes worth keeping around.

I suppose I'd be willing to "sacrifice" TFF and TATV and the animated series (which I've had minimal exposure to in any case), but I doubt that would be sufficient.

Of course, no idea how things might have turned out if the season had aired back in the day, but your question doesn't specify that.

 

[SevrinThree]

Interesting! I'm a huge 3rd season fan (actually prefer it over 2nd season) so the thought of more of that weird goodness (Tholian Web! Requiem for Methuselah! Cloud Minders!) makes it worthwhile to me. Are there any periods of Trek that you would have liked to seen more of? That you would sacrifice other eras for?

 

[DonIago]

If you were asking about an 8th season of DS9 I'd have to give this a lot more thought.

Can we trade season 2 of ENT for a season 5? Because the later seasons were definitely an improvement over the earlier ones.

 

[SevrinThree]

Now you're talkin'! I'm just starting the Avatar books to get that fix. If you had to pick: an 8th season at the top of their game, or a single epic film that ranked with the best of the film series?

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Is the whole of Enterprise and TFF enough?

No, I agree with Dolango. I'd sacrifice much more for a longer DS9 or even TNG. I might even offer up the whole of TAS, Voyager, the TNG films and the JJ films in addition to the above for a couple more years of both.

 

[Admiral2]

My deal?

All of VOY.

All of TNG.

Seasons 3 and 4 of ENT. (I get so tired of people ragging on the early seasons. I though three was half-assed and four was shite.)

TOS movies one, three and five. (Especially five.)

Every TNG movie except First Contact.

Abrams trek. (every inch of every reel.)

That should be a decent trade for another season of TOS. worried about quality? Let the New Voyages people produce it with a real budget.

 

[telerites]

I have always thought Season 3 would be better if the crew and cast didn't have an idea they wouldn't survive it. It barely happened as it was and not much effort was put into it. With that said, take Voyager away, lots of TNG, all of the TOS movies except 1 and 2.' There is something special about that first movie for even though many consider it a dud. The TNG movies could go. And to be honest you could have DS9.

I'm crazy I know but I like pretty much all of ENT. And if I gave up enough, let's add another season of TAS along with more TOS.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

all of ENT and VOY into the fire for a fourth season even if it were no better than the third but then I would happily toss TNG and DS9 for Phase II

 

[BillJ]

I'd trade everything after TOS ended for either a fourth season or the Star Trek II TV-series.

 

[T'Girl]

No deal. The 3rd season of TOS wasn't all that great

Season three was a collection of hits and misses, but the hits were fantastic and helped define Star Trek.

For a forth season of TOS, I'd sacrifice all of DS9 (except Duet), and everything in Enterprise's forth season involving Klingons, Augments, the Coalition of Planets and (yawn) Romulans.

 

[SevrinThree]

all of ENT and VOY into the fire for a fourth season even if it were no better than the third but then I would happily toss TNG and DS9 for Phase II

Hi Arex --
Have you read the Phase II book by the Reeves-Stevens? They postulate that Phase II would not have been as good or successful as Next Gen (which is pretty much Roddenberry's Phase II concepts updated). What are your thoughts on that?

And if you had to pick, would you want one season of Phase II or season four of TOS?

BTW, I'm a big fan of the Phase II stuff and would LOVE to get a glimpse of it, but I think the Genesis II/Planet Earth pilots have made me a little gun-shy as to how Phase II would have turned out. Thoughts?

 

[USS Triumphant]

How about this?:

I give up all of Enterprise, all of TAS, all of *televised* Voyager (we keep the novels, comics, and merch associated with them), Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Insurrection, Nemesis, both Abrams films, and all of Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, Stargate: Universe and Atlantis, Farscape, Babylon 5, and the Star Wars Prequel Trilogy. (Bear in mind that I really like Andromeda, Atlantis, Farscape, and Babylon 5 - so I'm really offering some real trade here.)

In exchange, I want:

1. A "fourth season of TOS", made now, begun with a two hour soft reboot similar to Abrams' ST:2009, but taking things back to the beginning of 2270. (No destruction of Vulcan, but any other world other than Vulcan, Earth, or Andor can be destroyed.) We can use whatever mix of the casts and crews of the Abrams movies and Star Trek Continues the showrunners see fit. Arex and M'Ress, with modern effects, join the crew. The season must include "The Lorelei Signal", "Yesteryear", "The Counter-Clock Incident", and "The Time Trap" as episodes. The show should be allowed to steal good concepts from Andromeda (the ship's avatars, point defense weapons, some of the species) and from Larry Niven's writings. And there must be an option for the series to continue if the ratings warrant it.

2. A second season of Firefly, ignoring "Serenity", and an option for the series to continue if the ratings warrant it.

3. A "Sci-Fi/Fantasy Showcase" series that gives us two hour TV movies that wrap up series that never got wrap ups like the original V, John Doe, etc, or two hour possible pilots for new sci-fi/fantasy series like Honor Harrington or Xanth, every Sunday evening, for at least a year.

Deal? Pretty please?

 

[Lieut. Arex]

all of ENT and VOY into the fire for a fourth season even if it were no better than the third but then I would happily toss TNG and DS9 for Phase II

Hi Arex --
Have you read the Phase II book by the Reeves-Stevens? They postulate that Phase II would not have been as good or successful as Next Gen (which is pretty much Roddenberry's Phase II concepts updated). What are your thoughts on that?

I know Phase II could have been an iffy proposition

And if you had to pick, would you want one season of Phase II or season four of TOS?

the fourth season as the machine was up and running

BTW, I'm a big fan of the Phase II stuff and would LOVE to get a glimpse of it, but I think the Genesis II/Planet Earth pilots have made me a little gun-shy as to how Phase II would have turned out. Thoughts?

I think at the time of Phase II, GR hadnt quite come to believe his waste didnt stink as the Genes vision cult had not fully flowered and PII would have had Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly on hand those performances might have helped file the rough edges off the material

 

[Mojochi]

I'd give up the entire existence of Enterprise & TAS for a 4th TOS season, & a fair amount of Voyager too, but I'd hasten to say all of it, because some of it's not terrible, in hindsight

However, I'd give up all of Voyager, TAS, Enterprise, NuTrek & the entire TNG movie franchise for a few more seasons of both DS9 & TNG. For that, I'd even cash in the last 2 TOS movies as well

 

[SevrinThree]

I'd give up the entire existence of Enterprise & TAS for a 4th TOS season, & a fair amount of Voyager too, but I'd hasten to say all of it, because some of it's not terrible, in hindsight

However, I'd give up all of Voyager, TAS, Enterprise, NuTrek & the entire TNG movie franchise for a few more seasons of both DS9 & TNG. For that, I'd even cash in the last 2 TOS movies as well

I'd give up all that just for your avatar -- it rocks!!!

 

[newpball]

No deal. The 3rd season of TOS wasn't all that great, ...

I know that is the boilerplate answer but I never really saw any good objective evidence for that.

Each season had good and bad moments and to me the third may be on the whole a bit weaker but the difference is certainly not Earth shattering.





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[johnnybear]

Day of The Dove, The Enterprise Incident, The Tholian Web,Elaan of Troyius, Let that be your last battlefield were all great episodes I thought from season three!
JB

 

[DonIago]

It only had to be not-great enough that there wasn't anything I would be willing to sacrifice for an additional season of the same quality; whether it was objectively great was irrelevant.

Considering every season of every series had at least one great episode, the only way I could really evaluate this further would be to sum up the number of episodes in each season of each series that I would hate to lose to figure out whether it was less than the number of great episodes in S3 of TOS. And even that would not only be subjective, but assumes that we'd get exactly the same number of great episodes in this hypothetical new season.

I -might- be willing to sacrifice S1 and/or S2 of TNG after having rewatched them on that basis, but there would still be episodes I'd miss ("Q Who" and the episode with the Bynars come to mind most immediately).

 

[SevrinThree]

It only had to be not-great enough that there wasn't anything I would be willing to sacrifice for an additional season of the same quality; whether it was objectively great was irrelevant.

Considering every season of every series had at least one great episode, the only way I could really evaluate this further would be to sum up the number of episodes in each season of each series that I would hate to lose to figure out whether it was less than the number of great episodes in S3 of TOS. And even that would not only be subjective, but assumes that we'd get exactly the same number of great episodes in this hypothetical new season.

I -might- be willing to sacrifice S1 and/or S2 of TNG after having rewatched them on that basis, but there would still be episodes I'd miss ("Q Who" and the episode with the Bynars come to mind most immediately).

An easier way to answer the question: if you could only get an additional season for ONE of the Star Trek shows, which one would you pick?