TOS Enterprise Internals
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Fantastic Yotsuya! I've noticed though in yours's and other's a triangle shaped cross section in the corridors. Where is that detail from and what does it represent? A support arch? Bulkhead frame? I'm curious.
Keep up the great work!
Keep up the great work!
Singular triangular doorways are seen all throughout TOS at the ends of straight corridors and occasionally at the end of the curved corridor. In all cases they seem to denote and "end of section" or bulkhead support structure.This would be my guess, though I don't recall seeing such in the 2260s off the top of my head.
One would presume that’s for some serious structural needs, given that it renders the otherwise-spacious corridor a one-way street.
As to why there are 2 in such close proximity in The Cage, maybe building materials were less strong in the 2250s? Those 2265 replacement lintels really did the trick!
I don't remember anyone (Comsol, etc.) mapping out this corridor (looks to be ~10' tall and ~8' wide, straight, not carpeted with whiter tile work indicating walkways and doorways); it would be interesting to see it mapped out. Is this on Deck 2, Deck 3, Deck 4, Deck 5 or "no idea"? The curved hull in the Captain's room (quarters or ready room?) suggests Decks 2 or 3 to me. The Captain's room is the next door coming up in the above image on our left. (I've seen sketches of the Captain's room to be round in shape, but I'm not sold on that - I could make it a wedge shape. The round conference room is at the end of this corridor. If Deck 2, then the conference room could be at the very center of the blister/saucer directly below the bridge and stretching up its bottom. It explains the six column supports in the room; to hold up the bridge. Since the turbolift is not seen, then the ~25' corridor could be going in the direction of the bow which would put the Captain's cabin on the Starboard fore part of the the blister. Just one idea. Of course, when the bridge gets lowered into this deck in the series, then the conference room is deleted and the rest of the deck area is converted into something else. I like to assume that some of the bathrooms survived to service the bridge. A quick one deck jaunt to the loo.This would be my guess, though I don't recall seeing such in the 2260s off the top of my head.
One would presume that’s for some serious structural needs, given that it renders the otherwise-spacious corridor a one-way street.
Interesting that art production in the Cage and WNMHGB used straight corridors, and the series used curved corridors. Granted, the curved corridors visually belong in a saucer shaped hull. The long straight corridor in the Cage/WNMHGB could represent both corridors in the secondary hull and a major axle corridor radiating from the center of the saucer. It's a shame that we couldn't keep both in the series.
They are in nearly every episode from The Cage to the end of the series. They are not in the long stretch of curved corridor set, but they are at the ends and in the straight corridors. I used them in my drawings to be clear where the corridors are as opposed to just an 8' partitioned space.
Robert Comsol mapped out the location of the set in his plans, and managed to avoid making Pike's quarters circular at the same time:
The addition of a "foyer" area is a particularly clever addition IMO which allows the space to be completely consistent with what we see in the episode (it's where Boyce enters from)
No. I see little on-screen agreement to the corridor and Pike's room. First, the doorway off the corridor before Pike's cabin door is missing (easy fix - put in the door). Second, the furniture layout is wrong (minor thing - rearrange the furniture). Where's the triple-TV and dentist chair? (harder fix - add in a correct cabin if we ever find a set drawing)Third, he put a desk/chair right in the door way to trip over, huh? (easy fix - remove them) Forth, why the highly-curved hull by the bed if you have a full size corridor backing it up? (no good answer - the wall at the head of bed is more probably the outer hull). Probably should be on Deck 2 or 3, and not Deck 4.Robert Comsol mapped out the location of the set in his plans, and managed to avoid making Pike's quarters circular at the same time:
The addition of a "foyer" area is a particularly clever addition IMO which allows the space to be completely consistent with what we see in the episode (it's where Boyce enters from)
On a positive note, I like the location of the central briefing lounge (@blssdwlf is currently building a computer model of it on TOS Enterprise WIP) In WNMHGB, going out one of the doors, we see a busy cross corridor, not a curved circle corridor as shown. How many entrances does the room have, one or two, and if two, are they 180 degree apart? I don't think the CAGE and WNMHGB briefing room are supposed to be the same room, but who really knows. Would a similar round briefing room be at the saucer center on several decks, too?
On his Deck 3, what's with the downsized transporter room at the center; I must have missed that episode? Also on Deck 3, he has more corridors than rooms; another huh? Rec Room 6 definitely belongs on this Deck, but since the two bow round windows/ports are not seen in it, I would put it in another location than the very bow.
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You mean the unseen wall behind the triangular doorway? Why should there be a door there? It's unseen!
The room is somewhat squished but I offered it as an example of an alternative layout. Looking at it again, a deeper length could be achieved by rotating it counter clockwise a little. This would allow space for the circular ceiling panel as well as the TV and a little more clearance by the desk.
The same question could be asked about the standard TOS cabin set or the Briefing Room set. Walls on board the Enterprise are rarely straight!
Since he assembled his deckplans using literal paper cutting and pasting, I suspect that's just a convenient way of marking the centre. Agree that it does look odd though.
If you read the text, that is too accomodate the extensive corridor chasing scenes from LTBYLB
If you imagine that Deck 3 is in the teardrop then space is going to be extremely limited once you put the required corridors in. Unless symmetry is not a concern, then you might squeeze in something like this?
(from a very, very old set of my deck plans!)
I like your thoughts on the cabin. Hard to find a set-accurate layout. The cartoon below has the TV wrongly off-center (minor issue) and the door angle off a little (I don't think the room is round). The author also thinks the room in on Deck 2 or 3. The black and white photo is another good reference. It shows a little bit of the outside corridor and a better angle on the door orientation to the room. The missing "forth" wall next to the bed and behind the dentist chair add more complexity to the room. I can imagine a bathroom/closet door between the dentist chair and the desk. (We discussed the green "window" on a previous post. I think we concluded it was some sort of screen hanging on the wall with the green mood-light projected on it. Maybe the laser-like device on the command chair also projects video communications onto the screen.)
Ah yes, good stretching of the old grey cells on that green "window"!The black and white photo is another good reference. It shows a little bit of the outside corridor and a better angle on the door orientation to the room. The missing "forth" wall next to the bed and behind the dentist chair add more complexity to the room. I can imagine a bathroom/closet door between the dentist chair and the desk. (We discussed the green "window" on a previous post. I think we concluded it was some sort of screen hanging on the wall with the green mood-light projected on it. Maybe the laser-like device on the command chair also projects video communications onto the screen.)
That's a good find on the BW pic. Makes me wonder what shape the actual set was. Maybe a 3/4 circle? The wall seems flat by the door, certainly. When we consider the shape of inner-corridor cabins seen in Charlie X and COK then a room with partially curved sections does not seem unlikely IMO.
The angle of the TV set really makes me question how much movie watching Pike could really have done from his bed too, it seems a really awkward angle!
Maybe the Tri-TV rises up, too, in addition to spinning to be viewed from the bed, the dentist chair and his desk. Hmm. Just thinking that a small desk top viewer in Kirk's cabin eventually replaced that monstrosity in Pike's cabin.Ah yes, good stretching of the old grey cells on that green "window"!
That's a good find on the BW pic. Makes me wonder what shape the actual set was. Maybe a 3/4 circle? The wall seems flat by the door, certainly. When we consider the shape of inner-corridor cabins seen in Charlie X and COK then a room with partially curved sections does not seem unlikely IMO.
The angle of the TV set really makes me question how much movie watching Pike could really have done from his bed too, it seems a really awkward angle!
Maybe it's an antique classic? Tom Paris had such a monstrosity in his cabin, too.Maybe the Tri-TV rises up, too, in addition to spinning to be viewed from the bed, the dentist chair and his desk. Hmm. Just thinking that a small desk top viewer in Kirk's cabin eventually replaced that monstrosity in Pike's cabin.
With those 3 thin arms it wouldn't make for the most practical storage device - but better than nothing!
The change in the bridge (elevated over deck 2 in the pilots and sunken into deck 2 for the series) would cause major changes in deck 2. I'm planning on the older deck 2 being command officers quarters with Pike's being on the starboard side. I haven't decided about the briefing room, but any difference between the two pilots would lie in the decade between when they were set and it would be the same location.
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I still like that. I thought there was a big telescope in the aft of the B/C deck
That was Franz Joseph. One of my goals is to correct his mistakes. I have no doubt that there is some sort of hatch in that location for something science related, but I don't picture it being an optical telescope.
And here is another update. I included that room and crawl space from TWS and the general pilot sets. I made the breifing room slightly larger than another reconstruction that the rest is based on. The briefing room and bridge are from The Cage. Other than the position of the A frames, there doesn't appear to many changes in the corridor. I have yet to draw Pike's cabin, though a piece of it is the second cabin from the first season and the only piece in the bathroom from the rest of the series.
And here is the idea (though not the final layout) of these set drawings. I have shrunk them down to be in scale with the 947 ship. And a fun thing I found. The set diameter (if it were a full circle) from the outermost panel that ends the corridor by the Transporter room is about 187 feet. The deck 7 diameter (usable before the underside curve cuts into it) is 189 feet. A perfect fit. So transporters, briefing room, and sick bay are going on deck 7. And I also decided where to place the transporter rooms, but more on that later.
And another fun thing I discovered is that Pike's cabin and the pilot briefing room have a round shape on the ceiling. It was a reuse of the ceiling of the transporter room.
And another fun thing I discovered is that Pike's cabin and the pilot briefing room have a round shape on the ceiling. It was a reuse of the ceiling of the transporter room.
