TOS Constitution Class Model In Marcus's Office!? (Deleted Scene)

[137th Gebirg]

Heck, it would seem linguists would be able to begin making the connections that, even after 2,000 years, there are similarities to the languages each speak.

Not necessarily. How many hundreds, possibly thousands, of spoken languages have there been on Earth alone throughout history - many of which totally unrelated to one-another? Just ask the Japanese cryptographers who tried to track Navajo code-talkers in WWII. They just couldn't do it. How many languages may have died out in the past 2000 years? Romulans may have been a part of the Vulcan species at one time, but there is nothing to say that they share a common language. They might have been a part of a Vulcan nation that split before a unified global language took root, post-Surak. The fonts used on-screen throughout all of Star Trek (Vulcan and Romulan) show two visually different alphabet styles (even multiple versions of Vulcan). It could stand to reason that they could be completely different-sounding as well.

 

[Dukhat]

So now we're suggesting TOS Constitutions actually were in service at some point in the Abrams timeline?

Well, why not? The Narada arrived in 2233. There's no canonical evidence at all when the Constitution class was commissioned. Hell, NCC-1700 isn't even canonical for the registry of the U.S.S. Constitution. For all we know it could be NCC-0701, if the U.S.S. Biddeford was NCC-0718.

Abrams is from New York, and 718 is New York's area code. The leading zero was added because apparently three digit numbers aren't allowed to exist in the Abramsverse.

It's time to get past the denial stage and move on to the acceptance stage. Only then can the healing process begin for you.

 

[Kemaiku]

There is a USS Eagle Constitution class with a 500 range NCC, and the Constellation at 1017, 683 ships below the Constitution in an important episode.

So yeah, no idea when they arrived.

 

[Dukhat]

There is a USS Eagle Constitution class with a 500 range NCC, and the Constellation at 1017, 683 ships below the Constitution in an important episode.

So yeah, no idea when they arrived.

The USS Eagle's registry is NCC-956, but I would like to point out that while the ship was shown on a diagram using the top view of a Constitution class silhouette, that doesn't necessarily mean that the ship is canonically a Connie.

 

[Timo]

...For example, the symbolic silhouette might be generic, denoting all designs of cruiser. Or the registry might feature a typo, actually being NCC-1956. Or the registry accidentally is that of the previous USS Eagle, a Texas class light cruiser, and not of the current one for which the silhouette is appropriate. Etc.

Romulans may have been a part of the Vulcan species at one time, but there is nothing to say that they share a common language.

That is, there was nothing to say this until STXI established that all known variants of Romulanese are nearly indistinguishable from Vulcanese.

Prior to that, novelists had suggested that the Romulan emigrants deliberately dumped their native Vulcan language, inserting a completely artificial language in its place simply because they hated their heritage that much.

I might see there indeed existing a single Vulcanese, and definitely just a single Romulanese. The latter culture would be homogenized by their bottleneck moment, the great exodus, and while they supposedly would have emigrated specifically to be able to continue hating each other with passion, this hating probably wouldn't split the language yet - it's easier to curse the opponent if he understands what you are saying! And the former would homogenize under the Surakian movement, even if the preceding millennia of desert life had fractured whatever culture had originally been transplanted on the planet...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ithekro]

Eagle isn't that far away from Constellation numerically. But then Constellation is a long ways away from Enterprise numerically and yet they appear to be the same class of starship.

The Klingons considered Enterprise to be old in "The Trouble with Tribbles" as she was at least 15 years old by then given that Pike's incident at Talos IV has been about 14 years prior. She, or her classmates could be considerably older. Probably not at far back as USS Kelvin, but it is possible Constitition was just another design for a different purpose than the Kelvin and ships a similar styling seen in these two films.

CrazyEddie's "book" (for lack of a better word) seems to have a Constitution-like vessel that is used in Federation space and for local exploration work, while the larger ships like the Kelvin (and this version of Enterprise) are used for deep space galactic exploration or rapid deployment against hot spots. The size being needed to use their massively warp drives (transwarp drive-like) while the smaller ships use a more conventional warp drive in the style of the old NX-class.

The pattern is not entirely out of line, though we see that Starfleet has not gone into the entire Five Year Mission concept until 2260 with Enterprise's refit following the incident with Section 31.

It is possible that the other type of Constition (or perhaps it has a different name at first, and they were refit into the Constitution specifications and generally called that a century later. Or they were called "Starship-class" and named after famous starships of the Romulan War. The ships orginally being the NCC-class following on the NX-class line. A later period got them labeled as Constition-class like the later NX-class ships are called Columbia-class in the novels.).

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The Nimitz & Ford class carriers "look" the same. Lots of unseen differences.

 

[Dukhat]

...For example, the symbolic silhouette might be generic, denoting all designs of cruiser. Or the registry might feature a typo, actually being NCC-1956. Or the registry accidentally is that of the previous USS Eagle, a Texas class light cruiser, and not of the current one for which the silhouette is appropriate. Etc.

Or, using Occam's Razor, the registry is exactly what it was meant to be seen as, and the silhouette was exactly what it was meant to be seen as. Ergo, the Eagle is a Constitution class ship with the registry NCC-956.

Or not. Whatever. YMMV.

 

[Kor]

The Enterprise novels show that all but one battle were space based ship to ship. Communications were all audio only. Only Section 31 and their operatives undercover knew the Romulans looked like.

Many years ago I posted a story in the fanfic forum that proposed the same idea. I wish I had saved that. A certain BBS member who had supposedly written a couple of Trek episodes liked it.

And then there was the remotely-controlled Romulan ship depicted on ENT. There could have been more of those.

Some viewers find it odd that later on in ST09, nobody is surprised that Romulans and Vulcans are related... but I think that is because of knowledge gained in the Narada incident.

Kor

 

[Kemaiku]

Well in the novels they dropped using their own drones and reworked the programming to allow a "telepresence" hack of an enemy starship, granting them full control of it.

Lost at least two of the NX Class ships to it not long after they were completed before a specific firewall was created by the Coalition of Planets to prevent it.

 

[Timo]

That was a fun piece of "Romulan continuity", tying into Diane Duane's 2270s Romulans and the way they fought guerrilla warfare with weapons like that. Not a supertech-out-of-the-blue to thwart the Romulan government with, but rather a relic from past wars taken down from the mantlepiece and dusted off for use in the rebellion...

All the pieces put together form a pleasingly unique picture of the Romulan culture: cloaks, camouflages, subterfuge, proxy warriors and backstabbing, but very little direct confrontation. Nero's antics fit right in, too: he's not much different from those Romulan miners Diane Duane depicts in the Bloodwing Voyages rebellion story, and may well have scored his victories thanks to the use of information weapons similar to the telecapture systems in those books.

Timo Saloniemi