TOS Concepts Recycled In TNG

[Richard S. Ta]

Yes, that too! But I was actually referring to the planet set as seen in "Haven" (in the holodeck), "Hide and Q," and "Skin of Evil." The simple desert looking set with the blank backdrop for the sky, colored differently for each planet. As I recall they stopped using that set after the first season or two and went almost exclusively with the "planet hell" set thereafter, which seemed to always be inside a cave.

Oh, gotcha. Yes, that's really noticeable in the first season. Studio desert rock planet with lighting used to create different coloured skies.

 

[Richard Baker]

I think he also made a pretty good case for "The Last Outpost" vs "Arena." However, "Lonely Among Us" vs "Wink of an Eye" and "The Turnabout Intruder" not so much, but even then I can see where he was going with it.

I remember wishing that they'd go back to Sigma Iotia II in TNG, as they ended the episode with as good of a lead-in to a sequel as Space Seed, and when I saw "The Big Goodbye," I knew then that they never would. And they never did.

Over all, I found the video to be entertaining and thought provoking.

TNG did have planned a return to Sigma Iotia II at one point. They would have found the natives had ditched the gangster theme in favor of their take on TOS Trek. Using Kirk's visit and what they saw of the Enterprise, along with McCoy's communicator, they had people walking around in replica uniforms and communications traffic on Star Fleet frequencies.
Another place they wanted to revisit was the amusement park planet seen in 'Shore Leave'. The curator had passed and the computer system was getting erratic.

 

[Phoenix219]

TNG did have planned a return to Sigma Iotia II at one point. They would have found the natives had ditched the gangster theme in favor of their take on TOS Trek. Using Kirk's visit and what they saw of the Enterprise, along with McCoy's communicator, they had people walking around in replica uniforms and communications traffic on Star Fleet frequencies.
Another place they wanted to revisit was the amusement park planet seen in 'Shore Leave'. The curator had passed and the computer system was getting erratic.

I've always wanted to see that episode. I don't know if it was inspired by some reference to it in an 80s/90s Trek-encylopedia, but I definitely wrote that fanfic as a child in the days of MS DOS.....

 

[drt]

Another place they wanted to revisit was the amusement park planet seen in 'Shore Leave'. The curator had passed and the computer system was getting erratic.

They pretty much did that story in the animated series.

 

[Qonundrum]

Yes well I wouldn't say that Q has survived the passage of time unscathed either. My kids don't find that much difference between Trelane and Q over the top performance except for the TNG special effects.

There's definitely enough to say Q was a definite retread. One that had taken a life of its own, fortunately. and nobody calling him in for dinner either.

 

[PCz911]

Roddenberry Recycler™.

lol! Well done!

 

[Ssosmcin]

"Where Silence Has Lease" started off as a retread of "The Immunity Syndrome." And there's a point when Riker (I think) asks Data if any ship had encountered anything remotely similar to this "hole in space" Data said no!

WESLEY: Captain, if this were any ordinary kind of hole in space wouldn't we be able to see what's behind it?
PICARD: Counsellor?
TROI: I know what you're asking, but I feel nothing from it.
RIKER: Data, is there any record anywhere of any occurrence even vaguely similar to this?
DATA: Accessing. Negative, sir. There is no record of any Federation vessel encountering anything remotely like this.

 

[Warped9]

"Where Silence Has Lease" started off as a retread of "The Immunity Syndrome." And there's a point when Riker (I think) asks Data if any ship had encountered anything remotely similar to this "hole in space" Data said no!

Yeah, that was a BIG oversight. Not only did the TOS E encounter a very similar phenomena the thing ate whole star systems and destroyed the starship Intrepid. You’d think that would be noteworthy in historical records.

 

[Maurice]

Well, to be fair the zone of darkness around the Space Amoeba™ turned out to be a field of negative energy, not a hole, so perhaps not recorded as such. The Nagilum hole was described as a void without matter or energy of any kind.

It just occurs to me that Nagilum backwards is effectively "mulligan". Hmm.

 

[PCz911]

Slightly off topic, with Amazon planning a LOTR show I went back and visited Peter Jackson’s LOTR and Hobbit. I was struck by the elves similarly to Vulcans. I do vaguely remember a discussion on it, but given the Roddenberry tendency to… er… borrow, just wondering if he was ever called out on it.

 

[Phaser Two]

Slightly off topic, with Amazon planning a LOTR show I went back and visited Peter Jackson’s LOTR and Hobbit. I was struck by the elves similarly to Vulcans. I do vaguely remember a discussion on it, but given the Roddenberry tendency to… er… borrow, just wondering if he was ever called out on it.

If Roddenberry borrowed from Tolkien's writings? No. The Elves in the LOTR trilogy are nothing like Vulcans. I see what you mean about their portrayal in Jackson's movies - Elrond specifically - but in the books their love of song and merriment is well-chronicled, and Elrond and Galadriel are far less somber than in the movies.

 

[Phoenix219]

Although, they may have a striking similarity to ROMULANS...... *glances at ST:Picard*

 

[JonnyQuest037]

TNG did have planned a return to Sigma Iotia II at one point. They would have found the natives had ditched the gangster theme in favor of their take on TOS Trek. Using Kirk's visit and what they saw of the Enterprise, along with McCoy's communicator, they had people walking around in replica uniforms and communications traffic on Star Fleet frequencies.

That was a story they considered for DS9's 30th Anniversary episode, not for TNG. They ultimately decided to do "The Trouble with Tribbles" instead, partly influenced by the writing staff seeing "Tribbles" guest star Charlie Brill at the same restaurant they went to for lunch. (IIRC, while they took it as a good omen, they decided not to approach Brill directly that day and instead go through his management about guest starring on DS9.)

It just occurs to me that Nagilum backwards is effectively "mulligan". Hmm.

According to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion, that was because they originally wanted Soap and Empty Nest star Richard Mulligan to play Nagilium. So somewhat similar to them calling the planet in STV "Sha Ka Re" because they originally wanted Sean Connery to play Sybok.