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TOS Blu-Ray audio questions/ issues

billsantos

Lieutenant Commander
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Once again, thanks to all those who helped with the video questions I had. I'm basically content to watch TOS in 4:3 format with the black edges. I can stretch it, but I do prefer native format. Now on to another matter.... audio.

The biggest audio problem I'm having is trying to get the dialogue to be at the same level as the music/ effects (or nearly so). Much of the time, the music is so loud after turning the audio up to hear the dialogue, that I'm afraid the speakers will be damaged. And many times I have trouble hearing the dialogue. I've tried all the audio settings available which includes standard, dynamic, and clear voice. Of all of these, only clear voice levels the audio somewhat better but the bass is severely curtailed. Appreciate any suggestions here.

Only other thing I find with audio settings on these Blu-Rays is that I have to turn it almost to max, to at least 80% of the maximum volume available. This is even with a preset audio offset. Are your Trek Blu-Rays also this way or is there some adjustment I'm overlooking? BTW, all audio/ video is channeled by HDMI cable in my system.

Now this really isn't a settings issue, but something I've noticed. When the DVD's first came out, I noticed that there was an extra, lower octave present with any of the loud sound effects. Like if a phaser fires, instead of just the normal phaser sound, I also hear a slightly fainter sound of the phaser an octave below the normal sound. I only hear this on the loudest sound effects and have often wondered if it is some kind of audio error they couldn't eliminate. I thought it might be only a DVD issue, but I hear it now on the Blu Rays too. Thoughts? Thanks to all in advance.
 
Just a little update. Last night I noticed the Blu Ray player had settings for audio also, so I set the audio compression for maximum hoping that the overall volume would now be much more level. However, With both the TV and Blu Ray player at maximum compression, I still experience very loud differences at times so much so that I continue to be concerned about the speakers. Dialogue is still kind of weak too. Still appreciate any thoughts and/or suggestions.
 
Best thing I've been able to do regarding the volume is change to the Mono track.
 
My biggest complaints are about those mono audio tracks (which I do prefer):

Some episodes are obviously a mixdown of the older 5.1 mix. Other episodes are a mixdown of the new 7.1 mix, with the new theme recording (which I despise!) Also, some of the audio in The Menagerie, Part II sounds very, very bad. Not to mention that the music cues are still wrong, as they were in the 5.1 mix on the DVDs.

Can't they just get it right for once?
 
I'll try going to mono only and see what happens. They didn't seem to toy much with the unaired WNM... and the audio was a lot easier to keep leveled.

I agree that there has been a certain amount of manipulation of the audio tracks. Even if I switch back to non-enhanced video, the audio tracks very often end up as the newer remixes which I don't like as much as the original.
 
Looks like I may have been wrong about the audio in one respect: when set to original the audio I'm hearing appears to be unaltered. Apparently they really did use the mono tracks with no enhancement. It is only when the enhanced option is chosen that the surround sound comes into effect. Great news for audiophiles like myself who has been on the search for TOS in original unaltered audio format since the VHS releases. I also understand that the audio encoding format on Blu Rays in general is truly lossless which is even better. IMO, I always thought the audio on the DVD's sacrificed too much quality (and it was lossy encoding), even though fairly dynamic due to Dolby NR.
 
Looks like I may have been wrong about the audio in one respect: when set to original the audio I'm hearing appears to be unaltered. Apparently they really did use the mono tracks with no enhancement. It is only when the enhanced option is chosen that the surround sound comes into effect. Great news for audiophiles like myself who has been on the search for TOS in original unaltered audio format since the VHS releases. I also understand that the audio encoding format on Blu Rays in general is truly lossless which is even better. IMO, I always thought the audio on the DVD's sacrificed too much quality (and it was lossy encoding), even though fairly dynamic due to Dolby NR.

I'm glad to hear that the mono mix on the BDs is the original mix. However, I just want to point out: the mono mixes are not lossless; they're the old-fashioned Dolby Digital. Only the new 7.1 mix is lossless.

You can't compare the mono on the BDs to the DVDs, because I think the DVDs only had a 5.1 mix, didn't they?

Doug
 
It was something the reviewers brought up as a negative, and something I've experienced - namely that when listenting to the 7.1 'TrueHD' audio tracks, the mix is sub-optimal; amd generally the overall mix is low.
 
As to the audio, how do you tell? On the back of the Blu Ray casing it says "Audio: English 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio" and underneath of this "English", "Spanish", and "French" "Mono 2.0". Based on this, I was under the impression that everything was in DTS-HD. "Dolby Digital" is mentioned but in a category by itself with no subheadings.
 
Many 5.1 Amplifiers will let you independently set your speakers to custom levels, so you can boost the center channel that way and/or decreas the relative output from your surround sound speakers. I find it should only take a few minutes with a good diagnostic or sample sound sample running in a loop. I would much rather sacrifice a bit of the surround effect, for crisp clear dialogue in the center speaker.
 
But they aren't all the original mono, as the main title music is wrong on some of the episodes. That counts as an alteration.
 
But they aren't all the original mono, as the main title music is wrong on some of the episodes. That counts as an alteration.

Yes; I believe all the original mono tracks have only the new title music. However, I only really sampled one or two episodes, so I could be wrong (yet again!).

Doug
 
But they aren't all the original mono, as the main title music is wrong on some of the episodes. That counts as an alteration.

Yes; I believe all the original mono tracks have only the new title music. However, I only really sampled one or two episodes, so I could be wrong (yet again!).

Doug

You are. Most of them have the original title music. Those one or two that have the new music stick out like a sore thumb.
 
Looks like I may have been wrong about the audio in one respect: when set to original the audio I'm hearing appears to be unaltered. Apparently they really did use the mono tracks with no enhancement. It is only when the enhanced option is chosen that the surround sound comes into effect. Great news for audiophiles like myself who has been on the search for TOS in original unaltered audio format since the VHS releases.

Yeah, well the search ain't over. The second and third seasons are altered. There are some goofs in the first, but it's overall correct. But the Enterprise rumble in the exterior shots was not used in the second and third seasons. They are in the mono mix on the Blu-Rays, though. Some dialog "fixes" for the DVDs also made it onto the track, notibly from Friday's Child ("You and your primitive knives and {your} weapons!") and Day of the Dove ("That'll take us out of the galaxy" - they felt the next to put in a different reading of "galaxy" over Shatner).

I'm sure there's more, but it's enough to prove it ain't the real thing, baby.
 
But they aren't all the original mono, as the main title music is wrong on some of the episodes. That counts as an alteration.

Yes; I believe all the original mono tracks have only the new title music. However, I only really sampled one or two episodes, so I could be wrong (yet again!).

Doug

You are. Most of them have the original title music. Those one or two that have the new music stick out like a sore thumb.

Thanks for helping me maintain my reputation as the forum buffoon.
;)
Doug
 
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