Torchwood Miracle day: ep 103 "dead of night" grade and disscussion
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I think either way is OK. Children of Earth and Miracle Day are very distinct from Season 1 and 2 of Torchwood in a way so I don't see a problem with it being Miracle Day 1x03. I don't think we need any more grief about this thread.
I think either way is OK. Children of Earth and Miracle Day are very distinct from Season 1 and 2 of Torchwood in a way so I don't see a problem with it being Miracle Day 1x03. I don't think we need any more grief about this thread.
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First of all, I wish the effects of immortality on society would be witnessed first-hand and also play more of an integral part of the plot.
The way it is now, the main source for this sort of stuff are those emergency meetings of various medical doctors we get to see (cue: abortions) and the news reports on TV (cue: what to do with people in life imprisonment). We are told things instead of actually seeing them. That's an example of bad writing I suppose. They have good ideas, but no idea how to properly use them for the show.
The are only few exceptions like those mask people on the streets, but they aren't doing anything plot-wise either.
Well, at least Bill Pullman rocks.
First of all, I wish the effects of immortality on society would be witnessed first-hand and also play more of an integral part of the plot.
The way it is now, the main source for this sort of stuff are those emergency meetings of various medical doctors we get to see (cue: abortions) and the news reports on TV (cue: what to do with people in life imprisonment). We are told things instead of actually seeing them. That's an example of bad writing I suppose. They have good ideas, but no idea how to properly use them for the show.
The are only few exceptions like those mask people on the streets, but they aren't doing anything plot-wise either.
Well, at least Bill Pullman rocks.
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The sex scene was the high point.
Barrowman vs. Pullman was hot stuff but didn't seem to have anything to do with the rest of the series. We're three hours in and we still haven't done much but watch Torchwood hiding from people who want to kill them because, because, because....DAMN!
I forgot again!
The sex scene was the high point.
Barrowman vs. Pullman was hot stuff but didn't seem to have anything to do with the rest of the series. We're three hours in and we still haven't done much but watch Torchwood hiding from people who want to kill them because, because, because....DAMN!
I forgot again!
Re: Torchwood Miracle day: ep 103 "dead of night" grade and disscussio
Because they are Torchwood?
The sex scene was the high point.
Barrowman vs. Pullman was hot stuff but didn't seem to have anything to do with the rest of the series. We're three hours in and we still haven't done much but watch Torchwood hiding from people who want to kill them because, because, because....DAMN!
Because they are Torchwood?
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I like Torchwood and I'm enjoying this so far.
But with everything that's going on, did Jack really need to go off for sex?
Episode woulda been just fine without that part. Maybe if there were commercials, there wouldn't have been time for it, as it was pointless, really.
I thought at first Jack's talk with Oswald had to do with Jack believing Oswald really was sorry about killing a child, and Jack wanted to know how he did it, because of what happened at the end of Children of Earth. But as the conversation concluded, I wasn't so sure anymore. <shrug>
I like Torchwood and I'm enjoying this so far.
But with everything that's going on, did Jack really need to go off for sex?
Episode woulda been just fine without that part. Maybe if there were commercials, there wouldn't have been time for it, as it was pointless, really.
I thought at first Jack's talk with Oswald had to do with Jack believing Oswald really was sorry about killing a child, and Jack wanted to know how he did it, because of what happened at the end of Children of Earth. But as the conversation concluded, I wasn't so sure anymore. <shrug>
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Can you see your own back? No, of course not.
Rex can see the wound on his chest. He can't see the exit wound on his back. When he's in pain, he reaches to his chest, not his spine.
Its all about "out of sight, out of mind."
And maybe its just my imagination (or the less than high def source I have for the episodes), but I'm pretty sure they have added scarrin' to Rex's back (as seen in last night's episode) to show the exit wound that isn't bein' dressed & covered, which I thought was a nice touch.
Can you see your own back? No, of course not.
Rex can see the wound on his chest. He can't see the exit wound on his back. When he's in pain, he reaches to his chest, not his spine.
Its all about "out of sight, out of mind."
And maybe its just my imagination (or the less than high def source I have for the episodes), but I'm pretty sure they have added scarrin' to Rex's back (as seen in last night's episode) to show the exit wound that isn't bein' dressed & covered, which I thought was a nice touch.
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I think Jack was repulsed by the fact Oswald doesn't have any remorse, after all the mental self-flaglation Jack has done to himself.
I'm enjoying the Series so far, last week the plane stuff was strung out too long, but, I did enjoy it, just wish it would've been less mixing and finding tube. This week, I didn't really see much wasted stuff.
That's the kind of ho-bag Jack is, he needed to break up the tension, unlike other series he doesn't have Ianto on the team to help him release tension. Rex went off for sex too.
I think Jack was repulsed by the fact Oswald doesn't have any remorse, after all the mental self-flaglation Jack has done to himself.
I'm enjoying the Series so far, last week the plane stuff was strung out too long, but, I did enjoy it, just wish it would've been less mixing and finding tube. This week, I didn't really see much wasted stuff.
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I didn't care for the sex scene (and I think the show probably just lost a few viewers and likely will get some headlines here in Canada with the inevitable Canadian Broadcast Standards Council complaints since it played as early a 7:30 PM in some parts of the country) but I still gave it a 'Fanastic' rating in part due to Gwen being at the top of her game, the great shoutouts to Doctor Who and Children of Earth (including the return of the eye camera), the interesting philosophical turns of the story, and for some reason (and not just because she's a hot redhead) I'm starting to really like Jilly now that it's pretty clear she's not a good guy. I'm not even 100% certain she's human!
My only complaint is I really saw no need for the love scenes. It really did feel like "we can do it so let's do it". I actually think the BBC edit will be stronger without it.
Alex
I didn't care for the sex scene (and I think the show probably just lost a few viewers and likely will get some headlines here in Canada with the inevitable Canadian Broadcast Standards Council complaints since it played as early a 7:30 PM in some parts of the country) but I still gave it a 'Fanastic' rating in part due to Gwen being at the top of her game, the great shoutouts to Doctor Who and Children of Earth (including the return of the eye camera), the interesting philosophical turns of the story, and for some reason (and not just because she's a hot redhead) I'm starting to really like Jilly now that it's pretty clear she's not a good guy. I'm not even 100% certain she's human!
My only complaint is I really saw no need for the love scenes. It really did feel like "we can do it so let's do it". I actually think the BBC edit will be stronger without it.
Alex
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I gave this a fantastic. Enjoying this so far. The seeds continue to be sown and the connections presented to us. Seems I could have been right last week, at least about the "secret society" front, in this case in the form of some kind of pharmaceutical corporation called Phi-Corp. I still think it's a front for some aliens...but maybe RTD will toss in a not so obvious twist.
I'm also enjoying Esther and Rex, along with Arlene Tur's Dr. Juarez.
I gave this a fantastic. Enjoying this so far. The seeds continue to be sown and the connections presented to us. Seems I could have been right last week, at least about the "secret society" front, in this case in the form of some kind of pharmaceutical corporation called Phi-Corp. I still think it's a front for some aliens...but maybe RTD will toss in a not so obvious twist.
I'm also enjoying Esther and Rex, along with Arlene Tur's Dr. Juarez.
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Of course Jilly isn't human - she's a PR person! No PR person is really human.
Yeah, she isn't giving real PR people a good rep, not at all. Shameless shill.
And for those who want "gay love" portrayed on TV just like "hetero love," is that really want you want shown? Walk into a bar, grab a guy and go somewhere and get boned? Sure, that kind of thing is shown with men-women too. But at least Jack and Ianto had some kind of meaningful relationship.
Of course Jilly isn't human - she's a PR person! No PR person is really human.
Yeah, she isn't giving real PR people a good rep, not at all. Shameless shill.
And for those who want "gay love" portrayed on TV just like "hetero love," is that really want you want shown? Walk into a bar, grab a guy and go somewhere and get boned? Sure, that kind of thing is shown with men-women too. But at least Jack and Ianto had some kind of meaningful relationship.
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Good. I actually thought it was starting to pick up at first. The new team was laughing and having a hoot together. Next thing you know, Rex is moping and Jack is slithering off. Going for the 1 night stand in the middle of something so big, I think diminished him. And, then going after the pedophile by himself without telling anyone too was also irresponsible. Both acts diminished him as the leader of the group. You can't count on him.
So, a mixed back. It looked like the group was gelling and we were in for a fun ride and then it kind of fell apart. We'll see if they get back on track next week.
Mr Awe
Good. I actually thought it was starting to pick up at first. The new team was laughing and having a hoot together. Next thing you know, Rex is moping and Jack is slithering off. Going for the 1 night stand in the middle of something so big, I think diminished him. And, then going after the pedophile by himself without telling anyone too was also irresponsible. Both acts diminished him as the leader of the group. You can't count on him.
So, a mixed back. It looked like the group was gelling and we were in for a fun ride and then it kind of fell apart. We'll see if they get back on track next week.
Mr Awe
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Why's everyone keep harping on Jack for slithering off and having sex? Rex slithered off first, after basically breaking up the team. That's when Jack decided to take the breather, and came back to find Rex and Esther had changed their minds. It was a rift to be gotten out of the way, so harmony could come behind it, IMHO.
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I actually took that as they have too many good ideas. They can't address everything that is affecting society so they put the interesting but ones that won't be a focus in the news reports. I'm fine with that *IF* what is presented on the screen is also sufficiently interesting.
On that front, it's been hit or miss. I've been entertained but some parts have been dull. So, agree they could do a better job picking what actually comprises the "showing" part of the story.
However, I'm sure RTD didn't want to make this a story mainly about how to handle those imprisoned for life. So, stuff like that will only be handled as asides.
Mr Awe
I actually took that as they have too many good ideas. They can't address everything that is affecting society so they put the interesting but ones that won't be a focus in the news reports. I'm fine with that *IF* what is presented on the screen is also sufficiently interesting.
On that front, it's been hit or miss. I've been entertained but some parts have been dull. So, agree they could do a better job picking what actually comprises the "showing" part of the story.
However, I'm sure RTD didn't want to make this a story mainly about how to handle those imprisoned for life. So, stuff like that will only be handled as asides.
Mr Awe
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If they were going to do a gratuitous sex scene, they should've at least done it correctly, more female nudity!
But, I agree, the BBC edit probably will be stronger.
Mr Awe
If they were going to do a gratuitous sex scene, they should've at least done it correctly, more female nudity!
But, I agree, the BBC edit probably will be stronger.
Mr Awe
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Because Jack says he's the leader of this group. That means more responsibility. Rex is not the leader and wasn't even sure that he wanted to be a part of the group. No, it was not a responsible thing for Jack to do. Putting your own personal satisfaction ahead of the team is not good leadership.
Mr Awe
Because Jack says he's the leader of this group. That means more responsibility. Rex is not the leader and wasn't even sure that he wanted to be a part of the group. No, it was not a responsible thing for Jack to do. Putting your own personal satisfaction ahead of the team is not good leadership.
Mr Awe
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I was pretty disappointed with this episode. Of all the plot threads that they could have brought up they bring up EVIL BIG PHARMA. It absolutely makes no sense to bring money into it since in 6 months, society will collapse. There better be more to it than simple greed (but this is Torchwood in the end).
I was pretty disappointed with this episode. Of all the plot threads that they could have brought up they bring up EVIL BIG PHARMA. It absolutely makes no sense to bring money into it since in 6 months, society will collapse. There better be more to it than simple greed (but this is Torchwood in the end).
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Jack has never been a good leader. He's a loner by nature and does well when the Doctor is around but he's below average when it comes to leadership.
Jack has never been a good leader. He's a loner by nature and does well when the Doctor is around but he's below average when it comes to leadership.
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Rex thinks he's the leader, and doesn't accept Jack's leadership and walked out. Esther wanted out, that means his team he is leading consists of him and Gwen when he went on his Joyride. Rex's country, Rex's operation, etc, so Rex is just as irrespopnisble as Jack. Certainly not saying Jack is a golden boy or didn't do soemthing wrong, I'm just surprised that everyone is so hard on Jack, but, giving Rex a free ride, for doing the exact same thing and doing it first.
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Just highlights my point, if Jack wants to be the leader he needs to act like the leader!
Rex might have questioned Jack's leadership but never said that he wanted to be leader. That's a different matter altogether.
Mr Awe
Just highlights my point, if Jack wants to be the leader he needs to act like the leader!
Rex might have questioned Jack's leadership but never said that he wanted to be leader. That's a different matter altogether.
Mr Awe