Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS

[Admiral_Young]

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I know that Sarah wasn't mentioned in COE either, things are unfortunately different now. Russell has also stated that there wouldn't be mentions or references to Doctor Who related material on the series. I'm assuming that branches out to both the parent series and Sarah Jane.

 

[wamdue]

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ok loveable maybe a bit far.

lets not forget what UNIT did to Tosh, locked her up when she built an sonic device.

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Toshiko_Sato

She was arrested by UNIT and held indefinitely without trial, and then saved by Jack Harkness. He complimented her on making a functional model with only the schematics available to her, and offered her a job with Torchwood as an alternative to spending the rest of her life as a prisoner in a UNIT holding cell. (TW: Fragments)

 

[DWF]

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For that matter Torchwood can't operate outside of the Commonwealth, that's not stopping Jack and Gwen though.

to be fair Jack and Gwen are not going around saying they are from Torchwood, it is offically closed down now, its just a team name now, rather than an offical team.

also I checked and the The Categories Of Life were UN sanctioned.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/torchwood/torchwood-miracle-day-recap-be-41315.aspx

Jack still tells Rex that they're Torchwood, no he can't openly admit it but then he can't show his face publically anyway. And I don't think US sanction for UNTI to operate in the States.

 

[PsychoPere]

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^ Jack can call himself whatever he wants, but claiming the name and having its old software doesn't mean his new team is Torchwood. As far as the British government is concerned, Torchwood Three was disavowed and eliminated, and it would seem likely that the Torchwood Institute is no longer in existence at all since Three was the last remaining cell.

 

[DWF]

Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

^ Jack can call himself whatever he wants, but claiming the name and having its old software doesn't mean his new team is Torchwood. As far as the British government is concerned, Torchwood Three was disavowed and eliminated, and it would seem likely that the Torchwood Institute is no longer in existence at all since Three was the last remaining cell.

They didn't change the name of the show yet and we know that Torchwood exists in the far future, Zach in The Impossible Planet/Satan Pit two parter was a part of Torchwood. And Torchwood four is still out there somewhere.

 

[PsychoPere]

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The name of the show would hardly be changed four seasons in. The future doesn't matter yet, as what I was stating only refers to the present that the characters are in. Obviously Torchwood could be officially re-established in the future, but right now there is no official Torchwood - just a group of self-styled "freedom fighters" who have appropriated the name.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Possession is nine tenths of the law.

 

[Yminale]

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On the issue of burning the bodies and death, Jane Espenson tweeted the following today:

[...] burning means you really really are dead.

For anyone who is interested, she tweets throughout each UK airing of the show with various thoughts.

That makes no sense. In the first episode, one of the assassins get blown and even though he's a charred skeleton he's shown to be alive.

That's one of the major flaws with how they are handling immortality. It's really inconsistent. Rex had his heart punctured but he's walking around while other as sick as him are in bed barely moving.

Also infectious disease, if you are not dying then eventually your immune system is going overcome the infection, so who cares about a shortage of antibiotics. All you have to do is relieve the symptoms.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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Psycho Pere hit it right on the head concerning the use of the name Torchwood in the series. Jack and Gwen are basically using it as a morale boost really and to keep the name alive. I think one of the things that attracted RTD to this story when he came up with was the "freedom fighter" "against all odds" themes...basically Jack and Gwen literally against the rest of the world, working with others who want to stop the crisis.

 

[Pindar]

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OK so 5 episodes in and enough has happened to maybe fill 2 episodes.

Did they forget to employ an editor on this series?

A lot of people seem to have enjoyed this episode, but to me it feels less and less like Torchwood with every episode that airs.

Why the hell did last week end with Gwen saying all that stuff about how awful the truth was?

Her video bit said they new who was really behind everything, that it wasn't phicorp.

None of that was in this episode, FFS.

Why did Danes go running off after Jack - made no sense.

Why in the camps did they have three kinds of pegs? I presume the white pegs were for CAT3 but no-one was wearing them.

If the modules were such a big secret how come they were unguarded?

Colin crazy, sexist, racist you lazy scamp - he got in his golf cart to drive 5 feet

I think what this show is really missing is Ianto.

I like Torchwood when is it coming back?

 

[DWF]

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Psycho Pere hit it right on the head concerning the use of the name Torchwood in the series. Jack and Gwen are basically using it as a morale boost really and to keep the name alive. I think one of the things that attracted RTD to this story when he came up with was the "freedom fighter" "against all odds" themes...basically Jack and Gwen literally against the rest of the world, working with others who want to stop the crisis.

And I think RTD was thinking about redemption, if the series is going to continue and that'll likely be without him the idea of Torchwood being rebels is going to get old very quickly IMO.

 

[Lonemagpie]

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Start of the episode = "Ooh, they're sortin people in camps. Obviously it's concentration camps, so there'll be ovens for the least wanted."

End of the episode = "Ooh, there are ovens for the least wanted? Obviously these are concentration camps." (and then Gwen says that outright in the Next Time trailer).

It took 60 minutes to say that?

Still, it was a good 60 minutes, and Bill Pullman deserves some sort of proper award - Emmy or BAFTA or whatever.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

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I expect that complete immolation suffices to destroy all the body's cells and, in particular, the mitochondria whose function I suspect must have been subverted to prevent death by hypoxia.

 

[PsychoPere]

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That makes no sense. In the first episode, one of the assassins get blown and even though he's a charred skeleton he's shown to be alive.

[...]

Presumably these ovens left literally nothing physical behind, which would be a little different than how the bomb was presented. Espenson responded to someone who questioned head removal versus burning that burning "causes cell death, other doesn't. It's weird." So, basically what Asbo Zaprudder said.

As for Rex and inconsistency, I don't disagree in general.

[...] I think one of the things that attracted RTD to this story when he came up with was the "freedom fighter" "against all odds" themes...basically Jack and Gwen literally against the rest of the world, working with others who want to stop the crisis.

If so, it's really nothing but a retread (albeit on a larger scale) of most of COE where Jack, Gwen, and Ianto were up against the British government.

Colin crazy, sexist, racist you lazy scamp - he got in his golf cart to drive 5 feet

Yeah, he was definitely a caricature. I couldn't take him seriously as a "real" character.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

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Colin crazy, sexist, racist you lazy scamp - he got in his golf cart to drive 5 feet

Yeah, he was definitely a caricature. I couldn't take him seriously as a "real" character.

Apart from his impressively good dental work, he reminded me of several people that I've met in the UK.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

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OK so 5 episodes in and enough has happened to maybe fill 2 episodes.

That presumes the only point of the show is the mystery and fighting the bad guy causing this. If the show is also about the effect on society, it's impossible to fit all that into 2 episodes.

 

[Pindar]

Re: Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILE

OK so 5 episodes in and enough has happened to maybe fill 2 episodes.

That presumes the only point of the show is the mystery and fighting the bad guy causing this. If the show is also about the effect on society, it's impossible to fit all that into 2 episodes.

They haven't really done much of that, most of society looks the same as before the miracle.

We have seen to opposing groups Dead is Deaders - introduced and then done away with pretty quickly and the Cult of the Soulless which we know nothing about.

Everyone in CAT 3 seems to be carrying on as normal. Society is not breaking down or if it is its happening off camera.

There seems to be no government responses to any of whats happening. Somehow how a drug company has almost worldwide carteblanche to run things now.

We are halfway through and dont know much more now than we did in episode 1.

Children of Earth did an excellent job of showing the effects of the 456 on society. Probably because it was not faceless, nameless entities that were in charge and we new who the villain was before we were half way through.

 

[Yminale]

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They haven't really done much of that, most of society looks the same as before the miracle.

I have to agree. They've mostly focused on the medical aspect so Miracle Day looks like a serious Influenza outbreak. It just shows the lack of imagination at work here. The need to analogize the US health care crisis has made Torchwood turgid at best and irrelevant at worst (yeah we get it Public healthcare is awesome).

We better see some butt-kicking like next expisode.

 

[Servo]

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^ Jack can call himself whatever he wants, but claiming the name and having its old software doesn't mean his new team is Torchwood. As far as the British government is concerned, Torchwood Three was disavowed and eliminated, and it would seem likely that the Torchwood Institute is no longer in existence at all since Three was the last remaining cell.

Easily fixed by "finding" Torchwood 4.

 

[Shazam!]

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See, I don't think hedging bets is arrogant. I'd view that as closer to being humble.

Humility would be admitting post release that the product wasn't what they hoped for. Saying it beforehand is either mental or arrogant.

But that's just my view.