Torchwood: MD 4x05 - The Categories Of Life (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS

[Sindatur]

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It's difficult for me to wrap my head around this whole "Undead" thing.

If you still have a functioning brain, you can think, and without the ability to do anything, that absolutely could be torturous. If you have eyes, you can see what you can't do, if you have a body with nerves, you can feel pain of unimaginable limits. But, if you burn the whole body to ash, no body, no brain, no senses, nothing, it seems to me, the soul should then be "Free", no longer trapped in a corporeal body. Many SF/F stories are built around the premise of "ascending" to a higher level of existence, free of a Corporeal body. It seems to me, in a non-corporeal state, though the life would be different, it's got to be miles better than what the crushed Tea Party woman, or the burn victims, etc are experiencing.

Hey, I wonder if maybe Capt. Wrack is behind it all. Maybe the Eternals have upped their game?

 

[Professor Zoom]

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Yes, he certainly does talk a good game about competence while berating everyone else for their lack of same. Such hypocrisy is one reason I wish the pole had impaled him before the miracle...

I think people need to give Rex a break. As Jack stated he's faking it. All that bravado is covering up his fear, confusion and pain.

I think in the hands of a better actor, I think that would be try. However, it's not what I'm seeing.

 

[Shazam!]

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How's that arrogant. If anything, it's lowering expectations. If he said "All my stories are better than the last," that would be arrogant.

It's arrogant for the reason I explained. It gives them a win/win.

 

[PsychoPere]

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On the issue of burning the bodies and death, Jane Espenson tweeted the following today:

[...] burning means you really really are dead.

For anyone who is interested, she tweets throughout each UK airing of the show with various thoughts.

 

[wamdue]

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why do I get the feeling this is all going to end on the humanity of Oswald Danes.

Vera joins Torchwood, and in a world where people cant die, seems to have pretty much died, you might as well just start planning your funeral the moment you join Torchwood.

which now I come to think of it, what are all the funeral directors doing now?

Being serious for a moment, yes burning the bodies to dust really should end the physical body, what is left would I guess be pure "life" does something feed on that life? However if they have the power to give people life, do they really need to do this, unless life tastes better if its lived.

What I dont get is why PhiCorp wants Oswald, is he just a distraction, if he becomes the voice of the people it wants to burn, then chances are that will mean less bodies to burn.

That said on a sheer pratical level, Earth will run out of space and more importantly resources the human race cant go on living, and more imporantly breeding.

The show seems to continue to bash private health care, but quite how you could have the army in charge of a health facility seems strange, its hardly going to sell it to the public.

Children of Earth refrence, well its not unlike the children being taken by the army.

Is it President Obama doing this?

Nice to see Cardiff again.

 

[The Wormhole]

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Right off the bat, there's a nitpick that's really bothering me in this episode. When inside the overflow camp, Rex and Esther use their real names in the records and documents. The hell? They're both fugitives, being on such a mission is risky enough, but using their actual names? That is just plain stupid.

I'm assuming that Esther only used her real first name, not her real surname as well.

No, her last name is seen clearly on the computer screen when she is forging the records to have Rex classified as a Category 1.

which now I come to think of it, what are all the funeral directors doing now?

On vacation, I assume.

Is it President Obama doing this?

Well, The End of Time did establish he is the current US President in the Whoniverse.

 

[wamdue]

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Is it President Obama doing this?

Well, The End of Time did establish he is the current US President in the Whoniverse.

sees odd that Obama has let Oswald steal his thunder. There was a time when Obama was the next Jesus, apparntly that is now Oswald.

Also what on earth are Sarah Jane and co doing during all of this? they cant seriously be sitting back, and letting it happen.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

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How's that arrogant. If anything, it's lowering expectations. If he said "All my stories are better than the last," that would be arrogant.

It's arrogant for the reason I explained. It gives them a win/win.

See, I don't think hedging bets is arrogant. I'd view that as closer to being humble.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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What's wrong with a "win/win"? Isn't that what everyone wants?

 

[DWF]

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Also what on earth are Sarah Jane and co doing during all of this? they cant seriously be sitting back, and letting it happen.

Yeah well where was she during COE for that matter? And of course where's UNIT? both this story and COE work if Torchwood exists in it's own vacuum.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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^ What's everyone doing during all of this is going on was first got brought up during COE.

UNIT is a United Nations organization isn't it? The overflow camps are government run facilities. I don't think the UN has any jurisdiction, thus the reason for their non-involvement.

 

[DWF]

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^ What's everyone doing during all of this is going on was first got brought up during COE.

UNIT is a United Nations organization isn't it? The overflow camps are government run facilities. I don't think the UN has any jurisdiction, thus the reason for their non-involvement.

UNIT had a station in New York and I do think that a lack of death worldwide is something that would catch UNIT's attention. And there no mention of Sarah Jane and her young companions in COE, for that matter she's got a supercomputer who could've figured out where the 456 alien's ship was.

 

[wamdue]

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also unless UNIT can show alien ivolvement, there is really nothing they can do, at least not offically, the UN sanctiond the The Categories Of Life so UNIT can not really offially question them. (or maybe I misheard that)

As for where was Sarah Jane during Children of Earth, true of course but that didnt change society as much as this has, sure Sarah Jane would most likely have worked out part of the truth but not all of it, dont forget Jack knew alot more than he was letting on, and Sarah Jane wouldnt have had had that advantage.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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^ ^ I would assume they still need United Nation sanctions to intervene in countries I believe. As for Sarah Jane I'm sure she hasn't been mentioned because of Elizabeth Sladen's unfortunate death. I'm sure Russell is still figuring out how to deal with that, if at all.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

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I actually thought the mention of the United Nations was a bit of a shout out to UNIT. Not directly, but sort of an acknowledgement of the greater role the UN plays in the Whoverse.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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We've also seen glimpses of soldiers in the overflow camps in UK but didn't get a good enough glimpse at their insignia to see if they were from UNIT. I'm assuming those are just regular British Army.

 

[wamdue]

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I supopse we need to remeber that UNIT in the newWho verse is not the loveable UNIT of the 3rd Doctors era, still would think there are some people within UNIT (as with any organastion) who are questioning it, and feel they should be doing something.

Admiral_Young yes Elizabeth Sladen's untimely death has made this diffcult to deal with, but that wasnt a problem for CoE, they ignored Sarah Jane anyways. Also Torchwood may simply not be allowed to use non Torchwood whoverse characters.

 

[DWF]

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^ ^ I would assume they still need United Nation sanctions to intervene in countries I believe. As for Sarah Jane I'm sure she hasn't been mentioned because of Elizabeth Sladen's unfortunate death. I'm sure Russell is still figuring out how to deal with that, if at all.

No, UNIT doesn't need sanctions to intervene as far I remember. And Sarah Jane wasn't mentioned in COE and I believe she was still alive when Miracle Day was filmed and certainly when it was written. For that matter Torchwood can't operate outside of the Commonwealth, that's not stopping Jack and Gwen though.

 

[wamdue]

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For that matter Torchwood can't operate outside of the Commonwealth, that's not stopping Jack and Gwen though.

to be fair Jack and Gwen are not going around saying they are from Torchwood, it is offically closed down now, its just a team name now, rather than an offical team.

also I checked and the The Categories Of Life were UN sanctioned.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/torchwood/torchwood-miracle-day-recap-be-41315.aspx

 

[DWF]

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I supopse we need to remeber that UNIT in the newWho verse is not the loveable UNIT of the 3rd Doctors era, still would think there are some people within UNIT (as with any organastion) who are questioning it, and feel they should be doing something.

I can't say UNIT was ever lovable, they did bury the Silurians and kill off other aliens, but they do still protect the earth as they did against the Sontarans and the Birg was still working for them even though he had retired he wasn't going to Peru for his health.