Too Many Registry Letters

[C.E. Evans]

^^^ Right, maintaining tradition and history is fine.
And by using the name Enterprise again and again, that honors all the prior famous vessels so named (seagoing and otherwise). And it works for Lexington, Intrepid, Constellation, Yorktown, etc.

But by using the registry #-suffix, it only references a SPECIFIC Enterprise, again and again and again, rather than all the other historic Enterprises.

I say...one time is sufficient. After that, still continue to use the name Enterprise, but with a new registry. That would imply a tradition of ALL Enterprises again, rather than that ONE previous Enterprise.

You make sense, the second Constitution Class 1701-A with Captain Kirk should have been the only one, then the GENERATIONS Excelsior Class Enterprise needed a new registry number without the B.

At that point, it simply became a Starfleet tradition for all Federation starships named Enterprise to carry the NCC-1701 registry, IMO. The lettered suffixes are there to just signify each subsequent ship to do so. It's a small acknowledgment of Starfleet history and is totally harmless.

I hope the tradition continues for another century or two...

 

[T'Girl]

I realize that it’s done in honor of the first USS Enterprise in the Federation, which in turn is named after the first warp-5 ship in Starfleet.

I hold that the NX-01 wasn't originally named Enterprise, it was named something else. After the events of FC, Cochrane used his influence to have the NX-01 named Enterprise. This is why the NX-01 doesn't appear on the observation lounge wall until Insurrection.

So "the first time through" the NCC-1701 could not have been named after the NX-01.

ADMIRAL #1: Huh? No, we're naming it after the first Space Shuttle, the one that never flew! Who cares about NX-01?

Actually the very first (non-launching) space shuttle was named the Pathfinder OV-098, a non-flying mock-up simulator, the Enterprise OV-101 was the next (non-launching) space shuttle built.

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[C.E. Evans]

It's possible that there might have been an unnamed NX-00 that served only as a "proof of concept" vehicle. The ship might not even have been fitted with a warp engine (or even fully finished or pressurized decks) and just done test flights around the Sol System at impulse to prove the design wouldn't fall apart the moment it left drydock...

 

[Galileo7]

^^^ Right, maintaining tradition and history is fine.
And by using the name Enterprise again and again, that honors all the prior famous vessels so named (seagoing and otherwise). And it works for Lexington, Intrepid, Constellation, Yorktown, etc.

But by using the registry #-suffix, it only references a SPECIFIC Enterprise, again and again and again, rather than all the other historic Enterprises.

I say...one time is sufficient. After that, still continue to use the name Enterprise, but with a new registry. That would imply a tradition of ALL Enterprises again, rather than that ONE previous Enterprise.

You make sense, the second Constitution Class 1701-A with Captain Kirk should have been the only one, then the GENERATIONS Excelsior Class Enterprise needed a new registry number without the B.

At that point, it simply became a Starfleet tradition for all Federation starships named Enterprise to carry the NCC-1701 registry, IMO. The lettered suffixes are there to just signify each subsequent ship to do so. It's a small acknowledgment of Starfleet history and is totally harmless.

I hope the tradition continues for another century or two...

Here is a question. If the next U.S.S. Enterprise was the first starship in an experimental class (like U.S.S. Excelsior was NX-2000 before it was NCC-2000), then would it be NX-1701-F ??

 

[Cobalt Frost]

Here is a question. If the next U.S.S. Enterprise was the first starship in an experimental class (like U.S.S. Excelsior was NX-2000 before it was NCC-2000), then would it be NX-1701-F ??

IMO it's also a tradition that any ship named Enterprise isn't a class lead.. Constitution-class, Excelsior-class, etc etc...

 

[Galileo7]

Here is a question. If the next U.S.S. Enterprise was the first starship in an experimental class (like U.S.S. Excelsior was NX-2000 before it was NCC-2000), then would it be NX-1701-F ??

IMO it's also a tradition that any ship named Enterprise isn't a class lead.. Constitution-class, Excelsior-class, etc etc...

Good point.

 

[BillJ]

I'm waiting for the NCC-1701-ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ (try fitting that on the hull).

 

[Galileo7]

I'm waiting for the NCC-1701-ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ (try fitting that on the hull).

For all that dislike the letter. We can accept the 1701-A Constitution class(old ship of the refit class based on all it's problems seen in FINAL FRONTIER, eventually to be replaced by Excelsior class) as a nod to Kirk and crew in 1986 VOYAGE HOME.

However, the 1701-letter rule was really permanently established when Gene Roddenberry decided to make the Enterprise of the NEXT GENERATION 1987 series a 1701-D...image if the Galaxy class Enterprise had a new registry number..."no B, no C, no D"..wonder what the number might have been?

 

[BillJ]

I don't know if this is another Vicoden hallucination or not...

I seem to remember something about the making of Star Trek IV: The Adventure Continues (which was the working title at some point). Where Kirk and Company were getting a new Enterprise which would be the Excelsior renamed with 'NCC-2701' as the registry.

 

[Galileo7]

I don't know if this is another Vicoden hallucination or not...

I seem to remember something about the making of Star Trek IV: The Adventure Continues (which was the working title at some point). Where Kirk and Company were getting a new Enterprise which would be the Excelsior renamed with 'NCC-2701' as the registry.

fascinating...then there would have been no 1701-letter began...(sounds like a time travel plot to stop the letters)

 

[BillJ]

I don't know if this is another Vicoden hallucination or not...

I seem to remember something about the making of Star Trek IV: The Adventure Continues (which was the working title at some point). Where Kirk and Company were getting a new Enterprise which would be the Excelsior renamed with 'NCC-2701' as the registry.

fascinating...then there would have been no 1701-letter began...(sounds like a time travel plot to stop the letters)

Which would have made the Enterprise NCC-5701 in 'The Next Generation'

 

[Galileo7]

I don't know if this is another Vicoden hallucination or not...

I seem to remember something about the making of Star Trek IV: The Adventure Continues (which was the working title at some point). Where Kirk and Company were getting a new Enterprise which would be the Excelsior renamed with 'NCC-2701' as the registry.

fascinating...then there would have been no 1701-letter began...(sounds like a time travel plot to stop the letters)

Which would have made the Enterprise NCC-5701 in 'The Next Generation'

If Gene Roddenberry had made the 1701-A the only exception, not the rule for starfleet starships named Enterprise, then Roddenberry's rule should have been all Enterprises are defined by their distinctive starship class not by the registry number witha a letter. ...but he didn't with NG Galaxy class 1701-D.

 

[Magellan]

though, admittedly, that doesn't necessarily explain the 1701-D, since no one knew what happened to 1701-C

Interestingly that is also the only real gap in Enterprises past 1701. I guess the 1701-B and C weren"t remarkable enough to keep the Enterprise name as the premier name in Starfleet the way the 1701 and D did. A was immediately after 1701 and B immediately followed her retirement. A full 19 years went by between C and D. I can only guess that some higher up somewhere must have been a big Enterprise fan and pushed for one of the new Galaxy class ship being made to continue the lettering.

 

[C.E. Evans]

though, admittedly, that doesn't necessarily explain the 1701-D, since no one knew what happened to 1701-C

Interestingly that is also the only real gap in Enterprises past 1701. I guess the 1701-B and C weren"t remarkable enough to keep the Enterprise name as the premier name in Starfleet the way the 1701 and D did. A was immediately after 1701 and B immediately followed her retirement. A full 19 years went by between C and D. I can only guess that some higher up somewhere must have been a big Enterprise fan and pushed for one of the new Galaxy class ship being made to continue the lettering.

While we can only guess at what adventures the Enterprise-B had--the ship may have had a very long and distinguished service record for all we know--the Enterprise-C's contribution to history was her sacrifice at Narendra III while defending the Klingon colony/outpost there from attacking Romulans. The loss of the ship cemented the alliance between the Federation and the Klingons.

Starfleet's decision to name one of the then unbuilt Galaxy-class ships as the Enterprise-D may have been deliberate if the Enterprise-C was the first such named starship to be lost in action with all hands aboard, IMO...

 

[Chaos Descending]

ADMIRAL #1: Huh? No, we're naming it after the first Space Shuttle, the one that never flew! Who cares about NX-01?

Actually the very first (non-launching) space shuttle was named the Pathfinder OV-098, a non-flying mock-up simulator, the Enterprise OV-101 was the next (non-launching) space shuttle built.

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Pathfinder counts as a "Space Shuttle" in the way that... well, no. Pathfinder does not count as a "Space Shuttle". It was made out of wood, for cryin' out loud, and was used for such critical tasks as making sure a "real" orbiter would fit on the roadways at the launch complex, and the like.

 

[MikeS]

image if the Galaxy class Enterprise had a new registry number..."no B, no C, no D"..wonder what the number might have been?

When I read your post I had "no B, no C and no bloody D" in my mind

Here is a question. If the next U.S.S. Enterprise was the first starship in an experimental class (like U.S.S. Excelsior was NX-2000 before it was NCC-2000), then would it be NX-1701-F ??

IMO it's also a tradition that any ship named Enterprise isn't a class lead.. Constitution-class, Excelsior-class, etc etc...

What about a new Enterprise-class?

 

[Bob Karo]

image if the Galaxy class Enterprise had a new registry number..."no B, no C, no D"..wonder what the number might have been?

When I read your post I had "no B, no C and no bloody D" in my mind

Here is a question. If the next U.S.S. Enterprise was the first starship in an experimental class (like U.S.S. Excelsior was NX-2000 before it was NCC-2000), then would it be NX-1701-F ??

IMO it's also a tradition that any ship named Enterprise isn't a class lead.. Constitution-class, Excelsior-class, etc etc...

What about a new Enterprise-class?

Not any time soon. It's gonna be named USS Gerald R. Ford.

 

[T'Girl]

Pathfinder counts as a "Space Shuttle" in the way that... well, no. Pathfinder does not count as a "Space Shuttle". It was made out of wood, for cryin' out loud ...

Well, the "space" shuttle Enterprise's engines were concrete blocks.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Yes, but the Enterprise, unlike the Pathfinder, was planned to be made space-worthy after testing, to fly actual missions. The funding just dried up.

 

[Forbin]

though, admittedly, that doesn't necessarily explain the 1701-D, since no one knew what happened to 1701-C

Interestingly that is also the only real gap in Enterprises past 1701. I guess the 1701-B and C weren"t remarkable enough to keep the Enterprise name as the premier name in Starfleet the way the 1701 and D did. A was immediately after 1701 and B immediately followed her retirement. A full 19 years went by between C and D. I can only guess that some higher up somewhere must have been a big Enterprise fan and pushed for one of the new Galaxy class ship being made to continue the lettering.

While we can only guess at what adventures the Enterprise-B had--the ship may have had a very long and distinguished service record for all we know--the Enterprise-C's contribution to history was her sacrifice at Narendra III while defending the Klingon colony/outpost there from attacking Romulans. The loss of the ship cemented the alliance between the Federation and the Klingons.

Starfleet's decision to name one of the then unbuilt Galaxy-class ships as the Enterprise-D may have been deliberate if the Enterprise-C was the first such named starship to be lost in action with all hands aboard, IMO...

This gives me the horrible thought of numbering the ship after the C "NCC-1702-CA"