Tony Stark's politics
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Yeah and there are a number of uses for plutonium too. However, the one that tends to grab people's attention is the one that can flatten cities.
Imagine for a second that every car on the streets is powered by a small fission battery. It would be ludicrously easy for those so inclined to harvest enough material for a dirty bomb with very little expertise required.
Now imagine that element being as ubiquitous. It's several orders of magnitude more energetic and you'd never be able to control it. The only safe way is to have a handful of large, well protected arc reactors to power whole cities.
And yes, it was fairly obvious that the element is mind gem resistant. What's your point?
Only SHIELD and Hyra were intent on using the tesseract to make weapons, it's pretty clear that Howard Stark had another purpose in mind for it. He did turn in Vanko for trying to use the arc reactor technology to make money. And from Fury's remarks Stark was only interested in using the reactor for energy purposes.
One gem doesn't appear to be able to override another one, that was one of my points. There is another use for the gems and I guess you'll have to wait for the Infinity War two parter to see just what they can do together. Imagine using them in union to whipe out half of all life in the universe.
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In IM2, Justin Hammer had been working on prototype suits. They obviously had problems, but how were they powered? Had Hammer already figured out how to miniaturize the arc reactor or were they equipped with proprietary Hammer-tech?
Mickey Vanko had worked out all but the last variables, as pointed out by Tony after Monaco. Vanko then went on to build the "Hammeroids", powered by his own arc reactors.
More questions: How did Vanko reproduce the repulsor technology that enabled the Drones and his own suit to fly? Was that also in his father's plans and schematics? Maybe something leftover from Anton and Howard's teamed research?
I don't remember these things ever being addressed onscreen.
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You're kidding, right? It's hard to tell sometimes.
Tony was kidnapped and held captive. If he hadn't come up with an escape plan, he would have been murdered after he either built the weapons, or refused. As we found out later, Stane had paid these people to kidnap and murder him. It was only after they realized who he was that they kept him alive.
Mickey Vanko had worked out all but the last variables, as pointed out by Tony after Monaco. Vanko then went on to build the "Hammeroids", powered by his own arc reactors.
More questions: How did Vanko reproduce the repulsor technology that enabled the Drones and his own suit to fly? Was that also in his father's plans and schematics? Maybe something leftover from Anton and Howard's teamed research?
I don't remember these things ever being addressed onscreen.
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You're kidding, right? It's hard to tell sometimes.
Tony was kidnapped and held captive. If he hadn't come up with an escape plan, he would have been murdered after he either built the weapons, or refused. As we found out later, Stane had paid these people to kidnap and murder him. It was only after they realized who he was that they kept him alive.
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That might have something to do with the fact that SHIELD and Hydra were the only ones (on Earth) that knew the tesseract even existed. Still none of that is relevant because you're missing the point. It doesn't matter what other uses the material may have (really, it only has one: high energy generation) so long as one of those uses is "WMD" it's not the kind of thing you want to be readily available.
If for the sake of argument uranium or sarin gas made an excellent fertilizer, I doubt you'd be able to purchase it down your local gardening centre.
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This is where topics come to burn, forever.
And yes, Vanko had access to his fathers copy of the miniture arc reactor schematics as the opening credits established, but his version was poor compared to Tony's.
Tony told him, while in jail thinking he was there to stay, to add "phased plasma channels and double the rotations", which Vanko thanked him for in the phone call with the two guards dangling dead behind him, as if that didn't help anyone remember.
So yes, they still had crude mass produced Paladium arc reactors, but since no one was inside, he used as crude but effective a mechanical version as he could, and a good one inside his own Whiplash armour.
All of them self destructed and he likely booby trapped his computer systems, since even the best Hammer tech was "shit" compared to his skill, and he could reprogram War Machine.
Honestly, the dialogue is there for a reason folks.
That's the same argument Stark used to try and protect the armors in Iron Man 2 and it appears as though Ultron has his army powered no doubt by the same arc reactor techology.
This was pretty much how they bungled the Demon In A Bottle storyline. Once Stane got control of Stark Industries Stark's armor techology ended up all over the place.
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And yes, Vanko had access to his fathers copy of the miniture arc reactor schematics as the opening credits established, but his version was poor compared to Tony's.
Tony told him, while in jail thinking he was there to stay, to add "phased plasma channels and double the rotations", which Vanko thanked him for in the phone call with the two guards dangling dead behind him, as if that didn't help anyone remember.
So yes, they still had crude mass produced Paladium arc reactors, but since no one was inside, he used as crude but effective a mechanical version as he could, and a good one inside his own Whiplash armour.
All of them self destructed and he likely booby trapped his computer systems, since even the best Hammer tech was "shit" compared to his skill, and he could reprogram War Machine.
Honestly, the dialogue is there for a reason folks.
Ok, Meesta Schmahtypants, how about the repulsor tech on the drones and Vanko's suit?
"Repulsor" is an EM cone of excited air propelled by constant supply of high energy conduction to a suitable expellent pad.
Vanko was nearly or as smart as Tony, it's the least complicated part of the process, Obi was able to come up with it on his own as the Mark I seemed to be chemical propellent only.
And Stark was okay with lending it to the Insight Class carrriers without much thought, so it's low on the order of genious level inventions and ability to aquire.
Oh, and most importantly of all Vanko was given the Mark II War Machine armour by Hammer to back engineer, he could have, you know, ran up basic copies too.
Vanko was nearly or as smart as Tony, it's the least complicated part of the process, Obi was able to come up with it on his own as the Mark I seemed to be chemical propellent only.
And Stark was okay with lending it to the Insight Class carrriers without much thought, so it's low on the order of genious level inventions and ability to aquire.
Oh, and most importantly of all Vanko was given the Mark II War Machine armour by Hammer to back engineer, he could have, you know, ran up basic copies too.
Vanko reverse engineering Repulsors from Warmachine would be the easiest explanation even if we only see him working on the Hammer drones and not Warmachine itself. We only see the sales pitch by Hammer to the US military about the weapon upgrades but it's safe to assume that they need to take apart the armor and study it so they can figure out how to apply all the bells and whistles safely.
However this is one of the things again that don't stand up to real world scrutiny because it is said that Repulsor tech is proprietary to Stark Industries so if Hammer tried to equip his Drones with this not a single one would make it off the ground before Stark lawyers would destroy them in court for patent infringement and industrial espionage. (and i seriously doubt SI would license this tech to its top competitor).
No, the repulsors are merely stabilisers if you reember his first attempt at flight in his lab he smashed himslf against a wall. He even told Pepper later on in the movie the gloves were stabilisers.
Uhm.. no. The suits fly also by repulsor technology, it's just that they are constantly active to provide thrust whereas the hand repulsors work as stabilizers and double up as weapons.
There is not a single chemical fuel currently in existence or even alluded to in the movies that could propel the suit as it does in the movies, not without major fuel tanks.
And yet in the comic book Stane did just that when took over SI, that led to the two Armor Wars.
Tony's first armor the one he made in the cave flew with a fuel tank. The movie take plenty of liberties with technology, in the novel of the movie Starrk had to plan some kind of party to get overseas, yet in the movie the suit appeared to have the power of international flight.
Repulsor tech went back to Stark's flying cars, which were apparently being used by SHIELD in the 60s, so the tech had been out there for a while.