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Tony Gilroy will direct THE BOURNE LEGACY

I'm not even going to read that for now.
I'm going, I like what I see in the trailers. Maybe it's a mess but we'll see. Early critic response on Total Recall was shit and that was a fun summer action movie imo.
 
The Metacritic consensus is in, and it's "Meh - not a terrible movie, but definitely not as good as the Damon ones".



Here's something I said about the movie a year and a half ago...

It's funny - back when the project was announced, I was one of its biggest defenders here, but I now feel that it'll have to do something new to have a chance at real success. The odds of them finding another young white dude as interesting as Damon with as cool a hook as Bourne's seem slim.
Renner's reviews have been respectful, and it seems that Gilroy's attempt at "something new" is

a light sci-fi element - a milder spin on the Super Soldier project from one of Renner's other franchises

- but that it's got a "been there, done that" feeling, not like the relatively fresh story of Bourne's amnesia and self-reinvention.




And here's another pearl of unheeded wisdom...

Gosling might be okay, but I'd most like to see them try something a bit different, ethnicity-wise... a young black, Middle Eastern or Indian guy... someone who, unlike DiCaprio in Body of Lies, really could blend in in today's worst hot spots.

Instead, it seems they went with the same ol', same ol' "badass white dude super-spy who doesn't look anything like a native of today's actual hot spots is harassed by older, DC-based white dudes in shirts and ties."


I'll probably give it a rental for Rachel if nothing else, but this is sounding like a snoozer. And some people wonder why comic-book movies are so popular? Maybe because the alternatives are really bland. :p
 
And here's another pearl of unheeded wisdom...

Gosling might be okay, but I'd most like to see them try something a bit different, ethnicity-wise... a young black, Middle Eastern or Indian guy... someone who, unlike DiCaprio in Body of Lies, really could blend in in today's worst hot spots.

Instead, it seems they went with the same ol', same ol' "badass white dude super-spy who doesn't look anything like a native of today's actual hot spots is harassed by older, DC-based white dudes in shirts and ties."
To be fair, in Damon's Bourne trilogy, he was the Treadstone field agent for Paris. His operations mainly kept him in Europe, so an unassuming white guy is your target agent. When they traveled to other countries, there were other agents with a more localized ethnicity (notably, Desh in Tangier).
 
Fair enough, and, as I said, Bourne's amnesia was at least relatively novel for that trilogy. Too bad Gilroy couldn't have gone with a more Desh-like character for this new flick...
 
^The buzz was that Gilroy wanted an ethnic minority lead (scroll back to see who was on his wishlist) but the studio opted for Renner. Who, IMHO, is very much in the same offbeat good-looking mould as Damon and Daniel Craig and, who of course, did the spy thing already in Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/aug/09/the-bourne-legacy-review

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57527

Two more positive-ish reviews; Peter Bradshaw in The Guardian (a newspaper which plays a significant role in TBU) actually prefers Renner to Damon.
 
I saw it today, and I guess the best thing I can say about it is that it was a decent action movie. That's also about the only thing I can say about it. The big problem with the film comes from the lack of any mystery whatsoever. Aaron Cross knows everything about himself, and we know everything about the various programs already from the previous films. So, the film just essentially becomes a chase movie. It does that well, but it's just not as engaging as the previous Bourne movies on any level at all.
 
I saw each of the previous Bourne films on the big screen. This one now looks like a rental. The next major film I'm looking forward to is Skyfall although something else might pop up between now and then.
 
Saw it yesterday. In a review thread I'd give it a C, for trying so hard to confuse me in the beginning and ending so stupidly. Renner demonstrated he can carry a movie like this on his shoulders, but he shouldn't have to do it with the name Bourne in the title, especially when the only time you see the guy is in a snapshot for two seconds.

And every time Rachel Weisz uses her American accent I find myself missing Evelyn O'Connell. Not that her American accent is bad. I just find she's more attractive when she speaks normally.
 
I saw it today, and I guess the best thing I can say about it is that it was a decent action movie. That's also about the only thing I can say about it. The big problem with the film comes from the lack of any mystery whatsoever. Aaron Cross knows everything about himself, and we know everything about the various programs already from the previous films. So, the film just essentially becomes a chase movie. It does that well, but it's just not as engaging as the previous Bourne movies on any level at all.

I came out thinking the same exact thing. Overall it's a run of the mill "Secret organization is chasing protagonists" action flick with very loose ties to the Bourne movies. I expected greatness with the Bourne name, and we got decent instead.
 
I thought it worked well more from a suspense thriller than an action movie. Since there are no real big mysteries to solve it's about Cross saving himself. However, I think that during the film when he sees Bourne's name on the TV and makes the connection to his name etched at the cabin in Alaska that there is an internal motivation adjustment.
 
Do people not understand the title of this movie? It is NOT about Bourne. Everything single thing that happens in this film is a direct result of Bourne's actions in The Bourne Ultimatum. His legacy, hence the title.

Personally, I liked this just as much if not more than Damon's films. While I understood them, I DID find them more confusing than this film. I thought Renner and Weisz were excellent. Norton did a good job and the scene in the lab was VERY tense. My only complaint is that this film needs a sequel more than Damon's films.

As for the ethnicity argument, I should point out that Renner spends a significant portion of this film in the United States.

By the way, I wouldn't go by Ebert's review as he gets several facts wrong again.
He even claims that one of the bad guys giving chase in the end is a local cop who apparently thinks he's a superhero or something and doesn't even really know what's going on when the movie clearly sets that character up as an assassin specifically sent after Cross.
 
^^^
Wow, did Ebert watch the movie or just string that together from reading other reviews. It's very clear who the antagonist is giving chase at the end and it's not the description Ebert lays out.

I agree it's important people connect the dots from the title and carry that over into the actual movie...LEGACY. What happens after 'x' is gone, the results and consequences. It does seem too many haven't made that connection.
 
Except this isn't after Bourne. This movie takes place mostly at the same time as Bourne Ultimatum, and isn't nearly as interesting. It's just a chase. It's just this one operative trying to outrun the government when they decide to shutdown their black-ops programs. There's nothing more to the plot than that. It could have not even been connected to the previous Bourne movies at all.
 
I agree it's important people connect the dots from the title and carry that over into the actual movie...LEGACY. What happens after 'x' is gone, the results and consequences. It does seem too many haven't made that connection.
False. The Bourne Legacy was originally a continuation novel after the Ludlum books, written by Eric Van Lustbader. In his book, the Bourne character is still played by David Webb, the same character from the previous three books.

Obviously, this film (and the two before it) are only tangentially related to the original Bourne Idenity (which was mostly true to the original novel).

So, the fact that this movie is called Legacy and deals with another principal is coincidental. If they choose to make a fifth film, it will very likely be titled The Bourne Betrayal, and probably have even less to do with the source books. I wouldn't rule out Matt Damon reprising his role, either (the character does age).
 
And every time Rachel Weisz uses her American accent I find myself missing Evelyn O'Connell. Not that her American accent is bad. I just find she's more attractive when she speaks normally.
Good grief, agree 1000%. One of the best things about Fred Claus is that she plays a Chicago meter maid... and doesn't bother to use her Yank accent. :bolian:
 
Bump! I've just come from seeing it. It was a pretty good thriller, which held its own in the series. I don't think it was as electrifying as Greengrass' two movie, though those who dislike his directing style will probably prefer Gilroy's take. It certainly bears comparison with Identity.

It started off slowly (though the Alaska scenes were impressive) but got better as it went along. Renner continues to impress as a lead and the rest of the cast were good too. I was surprised there was so little of Joan Allen and a little disappointed with the arc that they had for her. I certainly got the impression that the movie was left-open ended for sequels.

I do think that with a little tweaking it would have worked quite well as a standalone movie with no connection to the Bourne series. But I suppose that name puts bums on seats!
 
In case anyone is interested, after seeing the new movie and being tossed about 900 new acronyms, programs, and organizations, I decided to do a little research and make a flow chart of how they all fit together in the Bourne movie universe.

Everything was either actually referenced in the film, is a real organization above where the groups in the film would be, or is a reference from the novels that I used to differentiate the unnamed military analogues of the Emerald Lake/Treadstone programs which were joint military/CIA (Silverlake and Treadstone71 are the book versions). The logos are real life, from the books, or real world logos tweaked a bit to fit the movie universe:




As far as the film itself goes, I give it a "B."

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Bourne traditionally ends up in hand-to-hand combat against another Treadstone or Blackbriar agent who matches him physically, mentally, and skills-wise, so it was a bit disappointing that Cross never had to physically fight the badass agent LARX-3 that chases him throughout Manila at the end of the film, especially after all the buildup he was given. Instead he gets killed in motorcycle chase (albeit a good chase, although reminiscent of the motorcycle/rooftop foot chase in Ultimatum except in reverse).

Reminiscent is really what could describe the entire film (with the exception of the lack of the fight above), to be honest. There's another shootout of Cross against a CIA hit team around a huge winding staircase like in Identity. There's the usual Bourne movie cliché of a bunch of CIA analysts sitting in a room full of monitors, using their unbelievable data mining and tracking skills and access to every camera and satellite in the world to basically shout out "That's Jason Bourne/Aaron Cross!" like a high tech version of Where's Waldo. There's the usual conversations about how amazing the agents they're chasing are and how someone doesn't have clearance to see this. The agents are an improvement over Treadstone, but they still have the usual downside (in this case, emotional attachment) that has to be phased out in the next batch. As usual, the CIA (and this time a new agency called NRAG that oversaw both the CIA's and the military's assassin programs) is spending more time trying to kill its own agents instead of putting them to use. And then end on a Moby song.

So if you want to see a serviceable entry into the film series that doesn't break any new ground but is reasonably entertaining, this does the job. Otherwise, wait for video.
 
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