Hell they couldn't keep things straight in the episodes never mind the books.
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Hell they couldn't keep things straight in the episodes never mind the books.
You know, given that the recently released trailer has become the most downloaded movie trailer ever I have a sneaking suspicion that this film will do just fine without the money from the closed-minded minority who place facts and dates above characters and storytelling.
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Some of them aren't even facts, they're suppositions based on fan made criteria. That being said, even Gene himself did a couple of switch-ups during the runs of the series.
J.
Corrct facts and dates are important to good characters and story telling. Imagine if your character's name changed every five minutes or the entire plot was a different one every time you changed camera angles. It wouldn't be a very good story now would it.
I left out the close-minded part since not accepting ST2009 doesn't automatically make me close-minded.
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Facts and dates can be important, but they should never get in the way of a good story. Once they do, you've gone from science fiction entertainment to science fiction documentary. Don't let facts and dates obscure characterization and story.
J.
I agree 100%. Fortunately there are lots of way to integrate known facts into great stories without sacrificing either. To bad nobody is really putting forth the effort.
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Because this is a new approach with strong ties to the old guard.
If you want what was, there are 10 feature length movies and 716 television episodes to choose from.
J.
Amen, even Superman was rebooted, and James T Kirk ain't Superman.
Plus, think of all the people who thought the idea of TNG was a travesty of Star Trek. They were wrong.
trevanian
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TNG still IS a travesty of ST, with only the occasional ep or moment to redeem it, because they managed to tame the frontier (off-camera) and drown us in magic box something-for-nothing replitech.
Best thing to come out of TNG was DS9.
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trevanian
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This is allegedly a TOS movie. So you're really talking (counting features) about a lot less than 100 hours of material to 'choose from.' If it had such close ties to this old guard, they'd probably be able to hew a lot closer. Any ties are probably points of departure, not points of similarity.
Also ... "don't let facts and dates obscure characterization and story" ... did you make MISSISSIPPI BURNING or are you related to the King James responsible for the major rewrite to the Bible? Your statement is way too much like 'history is written by the victors' for comfort, or to give the rest of your comments credence.
There is no "history" to rewrite. Star Trek isn't real. It's all made up. What part of this is difficult to understand?
I've been watching this and similar disputes on trekbbs since weeks now and it never ceases to amaze me what kinds of problems some people seem to have with Star Trek 09 and the franchise in general.
First of all, Star Trek is NOT the reality. It is supposed to entertain us. If I want reality and all the trouble that goes with it, I go back to my history books and do some research (although that might be entertaining for me as well
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However...
Cheers to that!
First of all, Star Trek is NOT the reality. It is supposed to entertain us. If I want reality and all the trouble that goes with it, I go back to my history books and do some research (although that might be entertaining for me as well
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- I like the idea behind Star Trek 09 and think that it is a fresh new take - both stylistically and story-tellingwise - on a franchise that had started to grow stale and repetitive and self-serving (you can choose exactly when).
- No matter what some self-proclaimed guardians of Trek lore say, Star Trek 09 perfectly fits both into canon and continuity, but indeed goes where no-one had gone before - following the U.S.S. Enterprise into a different quantum reality, while letting the prime reality, the one we are used to, continue where it wants to (novels and Star Trek Online anyone?)
- All the different incarnations of Star Trek have come in contact with parallel universes in one way or another, but only limited to a single episode or so (the mirror universe is more or less an exception, of course). This time it's different, but it is and remains Trek while being fresh and original again.
Cheers to that!
trevanian
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None of it. What IS difficult to understand is the point of view being expressed.
Rii
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Trek Lit is home to some of the best "Star Trek" I've encountered. Canonicity is overrated.
Holy shit.
Double-posting (see #93) due to an unfortunate lack of experience on my part...
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Just another thing...
Take it seriously, but don't take yourself too seriously
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[This one-liner is dedicated to all those people who make the Comic Book Guy from 'The Simpsons' look down-to-Earth and relaxed (I hope you know who you are). Hell, before I dropped into trekbbs, I actually thought that the likes of him were just an invention of Matt Groening!]
Take it seriously, but don't take yourself too seriously
.[This one-liner is dedicated to all those people who make the Comic Book Guy from 'The Simpsons' look down-to-Earth and relaxed (I hope you know who you are). Hell, before I dropped into trekbbs, I actually thought that the likes of him were just an invention of Matt Groening!]
*Shrug* If I were to pronounce Trek DOA simply because the producers decided to change something I liked, I would have stopped at TMP. Fortunately I didn't, otherwise I would have missed out on a whole bunch of cool stuff.
The truth is, every incarnation of Trek changed Star Trek at its core to bring in a new audience. Some changes were very popular, while others fell flat.
If I like this movie or don't, what difference would it make if it followed "canon" or not. There is no reason to believe that this film will throw everything that has come before out the window, nor is there any reason to believe that this movie will change anything that has come before.
This is simply speculation based on fear and expectation, not on any real fact.
See the movie or don't, but making grand proclamations about Trek based on an opinion of a film you obviously have no intention of seeing is hardly an informed opinion.
The truth is, every incarnation of Trek changed Star Trek at its core to bring in a new audience. Some changes were very popular, while others fell flat.
If I like this movie or don't, what difference would it make if it followed "canon" or not. There is no reason to believe that this film will throw everything that has come before out the window, nor is there any reason to believe that this movie will change anything that has come before.
This is simply speculation based on fear and expectation, not on any real fact.
See the movie or don't, but making grand proclamations about Trek based on an opinion of a film you obviously have no intention of seeing is hardly an informed opinion.
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