To Accept or Not to Accept

[Takeru]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, ...

And it failed, because in the end no one except a few hardcore fans gave a rat's ass about the intact, whole, added to version of Star Trek.
Tossing the old canon is probably the best they can do, blow up Vulcan, kill Chekov, I don't care. As long as the movie is good I'm happy.

 

[Augustus]

I thought is was pretty interesting that despite or perhaps because of the amazing success of Batman Begins and the Dark Knight that, on this very website, I have seen lots of banner ads for the 1989-1997 Batman movies new DVD set.

Those movies still exist and are still appreciated. (Especially the first one, which in my opinion is still a classic.) But that doesn't take away from the fact that the last two are also very enjoyable movies.

In reality the two sets of Batman movies tell essentially the same story. This new Star Trek movie, technically doesn't tell a story that has been told already. So if they can tell the same story twice (Batman 1989 and Batman Begins) and have them both be a success, I don't think this new movie should be too hard to swallow.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I thought is was pretty interesting that despite or perhaps because of the amazing success of Batman Begins and the Dark Knight that, on this very website, I have seen lots of banner ads for the 1989-1997 Batman movies new DVD set.

Those movies still exist and are still appreciated. (Especially the first one, which in my opinion is still a classic.) But that doesn't take away from the fact that the last two are also very enjoyable movies.

In reality the two sets of Batman movies tell essentially the same story. This new Star Trek movie, technically doesn't tell a story that has been told already. So if they can tell the same story twice (Batman 1989 and Batman Begins) and have them both be a success, I don't think this new movie should be too hard to swallow.

QFT.

 

[hal9500]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, ...

And it failed, because in the end no one except a few hardcore fans gave a rat's ass about the intact, whole, added to version of Star Trek.
Tossing the old canon is probably the best they can do, blow up Vulcan, kill Chekov, I don't care. As long as the movie is good I'm happy.

Star Trek didn't fail.... it never failed. It declined in ratings because it had run its course... and i might add because of individuals like Braga who changed its very core in an attempt to make it appeal to "a wider group of people". The very thing that led to its end, is now leading to its rebirth in an altered mutated form. by involving the original timeline in this "rebirth" one only makes it clear that the clocks have been set back to the 23rd century. Everything that happened in the 24th and beyond is on a redundant timeline. I must say im shocked by that denials and widespread acceptance of this...

For 4 years i watched as numbers dwindled due to the laughable writing involved in Enterprise. I kept watching with two ideas in mind.

• ONE: It would improve, and return to greatness. More TV Series could be spawned from it and Star trek would continue
• TWO: It would be cancelled ending 40 years of Trekdom.

Alas the second possibility became a reality. In a world as diverse and interesting as star trek the possibilitys were endless for a rebirth, perhaps the distant future, perhaps a prequel. When a prequel was announced with romulan involvment i immediatly began waiting to see the finished product. Perhaps a final look at the romulan war!

But like so many other cult classics which have been twisted and remoulded, the new production staff had no intention of remaining true to the original. Not only that, they have wiped the original and all its successors from canon.

Not for me...

Enjoy the film,

Live Long and Prosper

Its the end, but the moment has been prepared for...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Star Trek didn't fail.... it never failed. It declined in ratings because it had run its course...

Another way of saying that people were bored with it.

Enjoy the film...

Absolutely.

 

[Yminale]

I no longer care. Star Trek's Utopian vision of the future is just dated and any meaning it had was scrubbed clean by Voyager and Enterprise. It's just another entertainment franchise like Harry Potter or Batman. If it's good ok but if it stinks meh. There is simply no point in being so angry or passionate about something so meaningless and mindless. J.J. Abrams makes cheap throwaway entertainment like Cloverfield and MI:3, to expect anything more is pointless.

 

[Guartho]

I have no interest in a new take at all, therefor this movie has no interest to me.

Baloney! If that were true you'd never have been in this forum in the first place. I have no interest in "Confessions of a Shop-aholic." Guess which forums and websites I'm not a member of and not posting on.

You have a great deal of interest in a new take. But they didn't do it the way you wanted so you complain. That's all well and good. Everyone gets an opinion and no film is going to satisfy everyone. But quit pretending you have no interest in it because you quite obviously do.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Superman really got fucked up when they started making the guy fly. Fly! Can you imagine anything more ridiculous?

As conceived and for as long as the writers and artists maintained the character's integrity and continuity, Superman lept great distances. He did this via superior muscular power and a generally sturdier physique than an Earth-born human being. Superman was science fiction, and his original powers were extrapolated from what Siegel and Shuster thought might be possible - there were explanations for them based on the characteristics of his home planet. They thought these things through. They had respect for the intelligence of their audience.

So, why did Superman start flying? Two reasons: lazy writers with no respect for Superman canon, and the "kewl" factor. The bums at National Periodicals just thought that kids were dumb enough to eat up the kewl flying power thing, and sadly they were right.

 

[Garak]

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

Yup - you can either go out and give the movie (which is an updated version of a long stale franchise) an honest chance or you can stay at home and cling to your old Trek DVD's like a bitter child.

If you don't like the movie and actually gave it an honest chance, that's fine. But there's really no room to complain if you aren't going in with an open mind. We're lucky enough to get more Trek, might as well work with what we've got.

 

[Augustus]

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

Yup - you can either go out and give the movie (which is an updated version of a long stale franchise) an honest chance or you can stay at home and cling to your old Trek DVD's like a bitter child.

If you don't like the movie and actually gave it an honest chance, that's fine. But there's really no room to complain if you aren't going in with an open mind. We're lucky enough to get more Trek, might as well work with what we've got.

That is outrageously level headed and sensible!!!!

 

[Borgminister]

Superman really got fucked up when they started making the guy fly. Fly! Can you imagine anything more ridiculous?

As conceived and for as long as the writers and artists maintained the character's integrity and continuity, Superman lept great distances. He did this via superior muscular power and a generally sturdier physique than an Earth-born human being. Superman was science fiction, and his original powers were extrapolated from what Siegel and Shuster thought might be possible - there were explanations for them based on the characteristics of his home planet. They thought these things through. They had respect for the intelligence of their audience.

So, why did Superman start flying? Two reasons: lazy writers with no respect for Superman canon, and the "kewl" factor. The bums at National Periodicals just thought that kids were dumb enough to eat up the kewl flying power thing, and sadly they were right.

Well at least we have the Incredible Hulk...

 

[Garak]

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

Yup - you can either go out and give the movie (which is an updated version of a long stale franchise) an honest chance or you can stay at home and cling to your old Trek DVD's like a bitter child.

If you don't like the movie and actually gave it an honest chance, that's fine. But there's really no room to complain if you aren't going in with an open mind. We're lucky enough to get more Trek, might as well work with what we've got.

That is outrageously level headed and sensible!!!!

I've been drinking. Heavily.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yup - you can either go out and give the movie (which is an updated version of a long stale franchise) an honest chance or you can stay at home and cling to your old Trek DVD's like a bitter child.

If you don't like the movie and actually gave it an honest chance, that's fine. But there's really no room to complain if you aren't going in with an open mind. We're lucky enough to get more Trek, might as well work with what we've got.

That is outrageously level headed and sensible!!!!

I've been drinking. Heavily.

Obviously; you're awake and posting.

 

[hal9500]

I have no interest in a new take at all, therefor this movie has no interest to me.

Baloney! If that were true you'd never have been in this forum in the first place. I have no interest in "Confessions of a Shop-aholic." Guess which forums and websites I'm not a member of and not posting on.

You have a great deal of interest in a new take. But they didn't do it the way you wanted so you complain. That's all well and good. Everyone gets an opinion and no film is going to satisfy everyone. But quit pretending you have no interest in it because you quite obviously do.

We have an interest in star trek, and have every right to be here and voise our dismay!

 

[hal9500]

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

Yup - you can either go out and give the movie (which is an updated version of a long stale franchise) an honest chance or you can stay at home and cling to your old Trek DVD's like a bitter child.

If you don't like the movie and actually gave it an honest chance, that's fine. But there's really no room to complain if you aren't going in with an open mind. We're lucky enough to get more Trek, might as well work with what we've got.

I cant argue with anyone who wants to give it a chance, im only pointing out the sad truth of what trek has gone to.... the dogs!

 

[Mr. B]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, not tossed out whenever a new writer or producer thought he could do better than those who came before.

I share this view as well. I think the expansive canon is one of Trek's greatest assets. If the powers that be were content with furthering the universe and moving forward rather than rehashing the old which is currently in vogue across Hollywood, I don't think past canon would be the terrible burden it is often characterized as.

For those like myself that hold canon in high regard, we're just going to have to accept that Trek has been handed over to a second-rate director and others that just don't give a shit about existing Trek lore.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

Yup - you can either go out and give the movie (which is an updated version of a long stale franchise) an honest chance or you can stay at home and cling to your old Trek DVD's like a bitter child.

If you don't like the movie and actually gave it an honest chance, that's fine. But there's really no room to complain if you aren't going in with an open mind. We're lucky enough to get more Trek, might as well work with what we've got.

I cant argue with anyone who wants to give it a chance, im only pointing out the sad truth of what trek has gone to.... the dogs!

That's just your sad truth/opinion. Don't go mistaking it for fact.

 

[urbandk]

I cant argue with anyone who wants to give it a chance, im only pointing out the sad truth of what trek has gone to.... the dogs!

I think it went to the dogs right here:

but I will watch it anyways! haters are just trollin'

 

[Augustus]

Therefore as fans we have a choice, to accept it or not.

Yup - you can either go out and give the movie (which is an updated version of a long stale franchise) an honest chance or you can stay at home and cling to your old Trek DVD's like a bitter child.

If you don't like the movie and actually gave it an honest chance, that's fine. But there's really no room to complain if you aren't going in with an open mind. We're lucky enough to get more Trek, might as well work with what we've got.

I cant argue with anyone who wants to give it a chance, im only pointing out the sad truth of what trek has gone to.... the dogs!

That is the most expensive dog ever.
I don't think it has gone to the dogs, the studio is spending $150 million on it, plus millions more on marketing and promotions, making it a tentpole summer movie, given it to one of the new up and coming film makers, hired rising actors and are traveling the world to promote it.

Made it mainstream? hopefully... gone to the dogs? don't think so.
But anyway, some dogs are pretty fancy, ever been to a dog show?

 

[hal9500]

Star Trek used to be something bigger and grander than a mere comic book hero, or a mere James Bond movie that rewrites itself over and over again. Star Trek used to be intact, a whole, that was ADDED to, not tossed out whenever a new writer or producer thought he could do better than those who came before.

I share this view as well. I think the expansive canon is one of Trek's greatest assets. If the powers that be were content with furthering the universe and moving forward rather than rehashing the old which is currently in vogue across Hollywood, I don't think past canon would be the terrible burden it is often characterized as.

For those like myself that hold canon in high regard, we're just going to have to accept that Trek has been handed over to a second-rate director and others that just don't give a shit about existing Trek lore.

Completely agree, Canon is what made star trek. I especially loved the continuation of the trek universe, and thats gone now. Continuity, harmony and star treks core values, and history. Star Trek had its own history tracing back to First contact, and stretching forward 300 years. Its WRONG to do away with it just to make star trek popular with "a wider audience".