TNG's "Generations", "First Contact", and "Insurrection"...

[Deks]

Re: TNG's "Generations", "First Contact", and "Insurrection"

I've been in the post-DS9 camp for about seven years now.

Given Weyoun's war aims in the seventh season -- the annihilation of Earth and a human genocide -- the idea of the Federation engaging in any sort of negotiations with the Dominion is impossible to credit. That would be like cows negotiating at a slaughterhouse; they can negotiate, but at the end of the day the slaughterhouse is still going to want the cows dead.

I agree.
Ever since I saw Insurrection and DS9, the movie just fits way better with it happening after DS9 final episode, plus all of the dialog in the movie alludes nothing towards the probability the war is happening at that time, and if anything suggests the setting is just after the War.
Probably a month or so.

 

[BolianAuthor]

Re: TNG's "Generations", "First Contact", and "Insurrection"

I have been watching TNG and DS9 in chronological order for the past few months. I used a mixture of airdate, stardate, and logic in deciding where the overlaps occur.

I put "Generations" in late season 3, two months or so prior to "Way of the Warrior". In that episode, Worf and others talk about the loss of the Enterprise as if it were still a recent occurrence, not something that happened a year ago. I placed it between "The Die Is Cast" and "Explorers" to give Sisko time to grow his goatee.

I placed "First Contact" right before "In Purgatory's Shadow". As mentioned above, Sisko speaks of "...the recent Borg attack" in that episode. Also, the Defiant is not present for the first half of the two-parter. I rationalize that as being repair time for the Borg damage.

"Insurrection" came right after "Chrysalis". Worf does not appear in this episode at all. The "Dominion negotiations" line seems out of place, but the TNG writers were not going to be any more specific than that in regards to DS9 continuity. I've heard a reference to Jadzia was cut, as she was already dead when the movie aired. If the movie took place during season 6 I do not see why it wouldn't be there. (In-universe, I mean. Not in reality.)

That's what I came up with, and it worked well for me. It was a bit sad to watch "Insurrection" and then "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River" so close together. The writing and plotting on DS9 was light-years ahead of what they were doing in the TNG movies.

"Way of the Warrior" could well have taken place quite a while after the loss of the 1701-D at Veridian III. Remember, Worf did tell Sisko that he had been spending time at the Klingon monastery on Boreth.

 

[SeanMcC]

Re: TNG's "Generations", "First Contact", and "Insurrection"

"Way of the Warrior" could well have taken place quite a while after the loss of the 1701-D at Veridian III. Remember, Worf did tell Sisko that he had been spending time at the Klingon monastery on Boreth.

According to the stardates, it works out as just over four months.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Re: TNG's "Generations", "First Contact", and "Insurrection"...

:bump:

I apologize sensirely for bumping this thread up, but I wanted the above remakrs not to be lost, and I also am curious any possible new take on the continuity placement of those films.

I think most posters agree FC takes place shortly before "In Burgatory's Shadow", at the very least just before "The Begotten". But what about GEN and INS? I recently adopted the theory that places GEN shortly after "The Die Is Cast", so as to explain some passage of time, among other things.

What do you think?