TNG Returns!

[2takesfrakes]

This prospect has me unsettled -- and uncertain. CBS, please ... don't turn TNG into "The Expendables." We all love Sir Patrick Stewart because he's such an amazing talent. But he's gotten on a bit and he might be too old for the part, do you think? Maybe? And it's not like Stewart needs the job that badly, he's always busy with something. And even if he's nothing to do at the moment, Trekkie Conventions will surely tie him over. Just ... don't involve your Business Affairs people, yet, that's all I'm saying. Don't sign any contracts, or anything, just kind of ... be hard to reach for a while, until Patrick's agent stops calling ...

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

ever since XFiles came back i been thinking this would happen. with Stewart as Admiral Picard. Capt Riker of the Ent F, maybe Wesley as the ExO.

Interesting! Let's see if something happens.

 

[tharpdevenport]

I wonder what Michael Dorn is up to...?

Buying Maps to the Stars, googling addresses, and knocking on doors annoyingly trying to get people to hear his latest Captain Worf pitch.

 

[Kor]

I think it's still a little premature to declare the return of TNG.

Kor

 

[Paradise City]

There's no reason to ignore Nemesis. You may think Nemesis was a badlly executed film but the events depicted in the film aren't that implausible per say.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Execution was the least of the film's problems. It needs to be shit-canned from canon.

 

[Paradise City]

Execution was the least of the film's problems. It needs to be shit-canned from canon.

No, it doesn't. The events featured in this film are fine and sit well with canon.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

No, it doesn't. The events featured in this film are fine and sit well with canon.

I wouldn't mind if they retconned all four TNG films out of existence. Generations single-handedly destroyed every closure TUC placed on the old crew, and the remaining films kept the TNG crew going too long past their "sell-by" date (though most of the characters were completely different than had been established by the series, anyway). Picard is not, and never was, John McLane. Data ain't no action her either.

Have this new "series" be a one-off miniseries, not a continuing one. Make it a real, honest-to-goodness TNG reunion adventure, set 25-30 years post-"All Good Things", that recaptures the tone of "Family" (one of my favorite episodes). Everyone has gone their separate ways -- some remain as career Starfleet officers, some left the service and are pursuing civilian life, some are gone. Some event brings them together for one last adventure.

Lastly, as someone said above, make this a sign-off for TNG along the lines of TUC (and this time, DON'T make the mistake of bringing them back afterward!).

 

[tharpdevenport]

I wouldn't mind removing all four films from existence, either. Though really, only the truly awful last one needs to go.

At least, though, for what ever it did to the TOS characters, Generations was the most true to the TNG series. But removing it would also mean getting rid of the terrible Enterprise E and the awful uniforms (we can pretend they disappeared after D.S.9.[/I] ended).

 

[MacLeod]

I have my reservations that Stewart would want to return at least as a series lead, I could see him agreeing to a guest role.

As much as I may like to see some of characters back, I think I would prefer new characters.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Though really, only the truly awful last one needs to go.

I quite liked Insurrection, certainly there are worse films to expunge from the franchise.

 

[tharpdevenport]

I'd have to say, for all it's faults, Insurrection is better -- in my personal opinion -- than First Contact and, of course (a foregone conclusion), Nemesis.

 

[Paradise City]

I wouldn't mind if they retconned all four TNG films out of existence. Generations single-handedly destroyed every closure TUC placed on the old crew, and the remaining films kept the TNG crew going too long past their "sell-by" date (though most of the characters were completely different than had been established by the series, anyway). Picard is not, and never was, John McLane. Data ain't no action her either.

Have this new "series" be a one-off miniseries, not a continuing one. Make it a real, honest-to-goodness TNG reunion adventure, set 25-30 years post-"All Good Things", that recaptures the tone of "Family" (one of my favorite episodes). Everyone has gone their separate ways -- some remain as career Starfleet officers, some left the service and are pursuing civilian life, some are gone. Some event brings them together for one last adventure.

Lastly, as someone said above, make this a sign-off for TNG along the lines of TUC (and this time, DON'T make the mistake of bringing them back afterward!).

Generations is hard to fit into canon because of Relics. TFF (A film that wildly oscillates in quality) is also tough to cram into canon with the whole Spock's brother and the centre of the universe malarkey. I like the TNG films although I agree with your criticisms of it esp. Rambo Picard.

My point is Nemesis may or may not be this horrible film but the events depicted it in it are unremarkable. A coup on Romulus and Data dying in an act of self sacrifice aren't implausible events to occur irrespective of how you may evaluate Nemesis as a piece of cinema.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Every single Trek film has canon violations, and tons of episodes from all the original series (as well as TOS contradicting itself); it's not about one or tow violations, it's about the type of violation and the over all episode/film.

Otherwise, my estimate, we'd have to shitcan 75% or more of the franchise.

 

[Paradise City]

Every single Trek film has canon violations, and tons of episodes from all the original series (as well as TOS contradicting itself); it's not about one or tow violations, it's about the type of violation and the over all episode/film.

Otherwise, my estimate, we'd have to shitcan 75% or more of the franchise.

I never said I'd 'shitcan' anything on the grounds of canon violations big or small.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I never said I'd 'shitcan' anything on the grounds of canon violations big or small.

I don't see how the other three films "fit the canon" any better than Generations. If anything, they make the "old Jim Kirk pulled her out of mothballs" line a hicup at best. First Contact destroys the idea of the Borg collective by giving them a decidedly-not collective leader. It also screws with the lore surrounding Cochrane, not to mention eschews the idea of not contaminating with the timeline (though TVH is equally guilty). Nemesis conflicts with established items of Picard's past, forgets Wesley was off exploring other plains of existence, ret-cons the Troi-Worf relationship, and introduces an entire new species that happens to live right next door to Romulus.

 

[Paradise City]

I don't see how the other three films "fit the canon" any better than Generations. If anything, they make the "old Jim Kirk pulled her out of mothballs" line a hicup at best. First Contact destroys the idea of the Borg collective by giving them a decidedly-not collective leader. It also screws with the lore surrounding Cochrane, not to mention eschews the idea of not contaminating with the timeline (though TVH is equally guilty). Nemesis conflicts with established items of Picard's past, forgets Wesley was off exploring other plains of existence, ret-cons the Troi-Worf relationship, and introduces an entire new species that happens to live right next door to Romulus.

I don't see these things as 01 equation, it's more a matter of degree. Different interpretation of Cochrane doesn't disturb my mind, adjusting the borg doesn't ruffle my feathers canon-wise.

But when someone as iconic as Scotty declares that Kirk came to rescue him so definitively in light of Kirk's definitive disappearance in Generations -- that do I notice and that a casual viewer will notice as well. OK, it can be explained away by Scotty's delirium after having been so long in the buffer - but still it looks very clumsy and awkward on the part of the writers. I'll restate though -- I don;t value canon that much that I wish to dismiss any film/episode from canon for even big breaches in canon.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

But when someone as iconic as Scotty declares that Kirk came to rescue him so definitively in light of Kirk's definitive disappearance in Generations -- that do I notice and that a casual viewer will notice as well. OK, it can be explained away by Scotty's delirium after having been so long in the buffer - but still it looks very clumsy and awkward on the part of the writers. I'll restate though -- I don;t value canon that much that I wish to dismiss any film/episode from canon for even big breaches in canon.

Wait a sec... You do realize that Relics came out in 1992, and Generations was 1994. If anyone is at fault here, it's the ones who decided to give Spock's part to Scotty when Nimoy refused to appear in a cheap cameo.

 

[Lance]

They could all be re-united (if the actors/actresses signed on) by some mystery, wherein Picard trusts his fellow long-gone crewmen (now having moved on to either an admiral, or more realistically -- since his love of archeology was espoused over the course of the show -- he has become an archeologist). Having no ship of his own, he'd have to use Riker's.

In theory, a little like All Good Things, but without the time travel elements. Future Picard reunites his future crew to investigate something unusual.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Wait, wait. I'm on board this this idea, but not if they are going to try to bring the *Entire* crew back. That would make no sense, most of them are in their 60s and 70s. Bringing Picard back as an admiral and recurring character with Riker or Worf as Captain and the rest getting occasional guest appearances makes sense.

And if they made Nog the commander and/or Icheb the science officer that would make me very happy too.

If they are talking about a new show, in 2390-ish, in the style of TNG, with guest appearances from Bermantrek characters but a mostly new cast, I'm in. If they want to make the Simpsons parody of a TOS movie a reality and do a Geriatrek, no way.