TMP Theory on Captain Archer

[Tenacity]

the same reason they rarely ever mentioned Kirk and they never mentioned Pike

Kirk does get occasional mentions, as for Pike he might have overall been pretty unremarkable.

What, you don't talk about General Pershing on a daily basis ?

Stephen Decatur is absolutely shoved down the throats of US Naval cadets.

Archer tortured someone?

Some of the selections for movie night were really bad, the crew was required to attend.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Stephen Decatur is absolutely shoved down the throats of US Naval cadets.

But after that? Is there a WWSD do meme in the Navy?

 

[The Wormhole]

they never mentioned Pike in later series.

Pike's been mentioned at least twice: there was a shuttle named Pike in TNG and Sisko was awarded the Christopher Pike Medal of Bravery on DS9

 

[Avro Arrow]

In Canada, Wilfrid Laurier comes up in casual conversation on a daily basis. Anyone who doesn't is accused of disrespecting canon. We have laws against that sort of thing.

I went to Sir Wilfrid Laurier Secondary School!

So where do you display your mandatory Laurier action figure?

 

[The Wormhole]

So where do you display your mandatory Laurier action figure?

By my front door. Visitors to my place are expected to leave a five dollar bill by it every time they visit. And it has to be a five dollar bill, for obvious reasons. No toonie/loonie combinations accepted.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Archer is mentioned in TNG and Nemesis ( sort of )

 

[The Wormhole]

Archer is mentioned in TNG and Nemesis ( sort of )

His TNG mention is more of a retcon, that is Enterprise confirmed he was the one "Archer IV" was named after.

 

[Tenacity]

there was a shuttle named Pike in TNG

Actually named for famed explorer Zebulon Pike (hey, maybe).

His TNG mention is more of a retcon, that is Enterprise confirmed he was the one "Archer IV" was named after.

Anyone know where "Archer" on TNG originally came from? Some one from the production staff, family member, friend, or just a random name pick?

 

[MarsWeeps]

there was a shuttle named Pike in TNG

A travesty! He deserved nothing less than a Starship.

 

[cultcross]

Archer and co not coming up in conversation is fine, in my book, and perfectly believable. If people reference an historical event which is relevant to what is happening in that moment, more often than not they talk about the event rather than the people involved. So "disastrous first contact with the Klingons" doesn't preclude the possibility they are talking about Broken Bow.

What is harder to square away is the ship being called Enterprise. Sure, you might not include all the Enterprises ever in your rec room or briefing room, and Scotty specifying the 1701 registry helps explain why the computer didn't load Trois ENT fan film programme, but they have been pretty specific the E-D was the fifth starship to bear the name, and that pattern continued on the dedication plaques. The Department of Temporal Investigations also seemed not to include the NX01 in a context which could certainly have included it (time travel).

In short, naming the ship almost anything else would have made the story fit very plausibly into Trek's past.

 

[VulcanMindBlown]

What is harder to square away is the ship being called Enterprise. Sure, you might not include all the Enterprises ever in your rec room or briefing room, and Scotty specifying the 1701 registry helps explain why the computer didn't load Trois ENT fan film programme, but they have been pretty specific the E-D was the fifth starship to bear the name, and that pattern continued on the dedication plaques. The Department of Temporal Investigations also seemed not to include the NX01 in a context which could certainly have included it (time travel).

In short, naming the ship almost anything else would have made the story fit very plausibly into Trek's past.

I think they were mentioning the Federation ships named Enterprise.

 

[cultcross]

Except they didn't say that, the dedication plaques say "fifth starship to bear the name" and Dulmer and Lucsley said "Be specific, Captain, which Enterprise?" Sisko makes it even more difficult to wiggle out of by replying "This was the first Enterprise - Constitution class."

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think they were mentioning the Federation ships named Enterprise.

Yep, they don't mention the ringship Enterprise either.

 

[The Old Mixer]

That's just par for the course. First Rule of the Ringship Enterprise: You do not talk about the Ringhship Enterprise.

 

[Tenacity]

Maybe they don't consider the NX-01 to be a "starship," but rather just a spaceship.

 

[MarsWeeps]

Maybe they don't consider the NX-01 to be a "starship," but rather just a spaceship.

No. It's constantly referred to as a Starship throughout the entire series.

 

[WebLurker]

As far as the number of starships thing goes, it's a little odd, but I think we can roll with it and the retcon that anytime the numbers don't mesh up, they're only talking Federation Enterprises, given the relatively few number of times people talk about how many previous Enterprise's there were. Also, when Sisko says that he found the "first" one in DS9, he quickly adds it was the Constitution-class one, almost as if he clarifying which "first" one he's talking about.

 

[GeorgeKirk]

In my personal headcanon, all the Star Trek produced after First Contact happens in an alternate timeline created by the Borg incursion in the 21st century. Not only does this explain the discontinuities between Enterprise and the Original Series, it also explains why, in Voyager episodes produced after First Contact, we learn that the Federation was mysteriously aware of the Borg over a decade before "Q-Who".

 

[WebLurker]

In my personal headcanon, all the Star Trek produced after First Contact happens in an alternate timeline created by the Borg incursion in the 21st century. Not only does this explain the discontinuities between Enterprise and the Original Series, it also explains why, in Voyager episodes produced after First Contact, we learn that the Federation was mysteriously aware of the Borg over a decade before "Q-Who".

You're free to think what you wish, but there are a few problems with that.

- "Regeneration" (ENT) shows that the Borg's discovery of humanity was the result of a predestination paradox. This supported by "Relativity" (VOY), where it's defined as a "pogo paradox."

- The VOY episodes indicate that some parts of Starfleet had knowledge about the Borg, but it was really sketchy and even that was not apparently widely known through the fleet.

- ENT acts as a direct prequel to a lot of TOS stuff.

- "These Are the Voyages..." (ENT) shows that ENT and TNG (and thus TOS, TAS, DS9, and VOY) take place in the same timeline.

- The people who made the show stated that it's not an altered timeline.

 

[BillJ]

Pike's been mentioned at least twice: there was a shuttle named Pike in TNG and Sisko was awarded the Christopher Pike Medal of Bravery on DS9

Also the Pike City Pioneers.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Pike_City_Pioneers