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TMP Like New For Me

STMP is the PEAK of "Original Series" Trek for yours truly...

Dear Fellow Trekkers:

Data's Calabash here, a new member of The Trek BBS with my first post in our forum.

Ever since I saw STMP in a local theatre on its premiere night of December 7, 1979, it has been "the Trek Movie" on which everything else to come depended on so critically, both in theatres and on the "small screen", and to be compared to.
And even though just about everything "Star Wars" that I've seen so far has, on each occasion been a decently enjoyable story in itself and in contributing to the whole of what's existed "long. long ago in a galaxy far, far away"...

...it's STILL the ongoing stories that Gene Roddenberry himself started way back in my youth (I was six when "The Man Trap" first aired on NBC on the evening of September 8, 1966) that have been so important going forward.

For example, the romance hinted at between will Decker and Ilia in STMP was "revisited" to a degree with Will Riker and Deanna Troi, as both Deltans and Betazoids shared similar types of empathic powers with other species.

I have the Director's Edition DVD of STMP as the ONLY movie DVD I've ever wanted to own, more than any other - that movie, of any that I have ever seen in my own life of six decades now, is the single BEST movie I have ever seen, and that I am EVER likely to see.

One thing that some people might not realize about that movie, though, is that on page 179 of the original paperback novelization of STMP...written by Gene Roddenberry HIMSELF, the only Star Trek novel he ever wrote...we very likely see the true "intended" manner of HOW to spell the same of the Earth space probe that was transformed by the "planet of living machines" in its text...I quote, from when Jim Kirk first spoke to the "Ilia-probe" sent inside the Enterprise by "the Intruder":

"I am Captain James T. Kirk, commanding U.S.S. Enterprise," Kirk replied, feeling somewhat foolish saying this to what looked like his own navigator. Was Ilia really this incredibly sensuous?
"I have been programmed to observe and record normal functions of the carbon-based units infesting U.S.S. Enterprise."
"Programmed by whom?" asked Kirk. "It is important we communicate with them."
The probe seemed puzzled. "If you require a designation, I was programmed by Vejur."

Ever since I first read that novel, I have only accepted the "Vejur" spelling as the canonical one, and no other...it IS from Gene's own writing of the novel; so to my mind, it HAS to have the strongest degree of "canonicity" that ANYTHING in Trekdom can ever have for such a subject.

Of course, we DO finally get to find out in the movie itself, about Vejur's own reading of its spatial-hazard-scarred nameplate only displaying the undamaged letters "V - - - G E R" in the scene where Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Decker and Ilia exit from the dorsal side of the 1701's primary hull to personally encounter the still-functioning Voyager 6 probe relic, hence the use of Gene's "Vejur" spelling to explain how "the Intruder" pronounces what it perceives its own name to be.

I also have the Columbia Records-produced LP record of the STMP soundtrack, and the very same "Vejur" spelling is on there for one of the music tracks from the movie.

True, "many more" accept the "V'ger" spelling, and there's even been disagreements about whether the "G" in that form should be capitalized, or should be "lower case"...but the "Vejur" form seem in the text of the paperback edition of the STMP novelization DOES spell it that way...from GENE RODDENBERRY's own hand...and the additional presence of it on that soundtrack LP record label could seem to add "just a little more" credence to it, perhaps, being the intended "canonical" spelling for it going forward.

Thanks and Yours Sincerely,
Data's Calabash
 
the original paperback novelization of STMP...written by Gene Roddenberry HIMSELF, the only Star Trek novel he ever wrote...
Hi Data's Calabash, nice "seeing" you. I've always wondered, myself, why GR didn't write more STAR TREK novels. Surely, they would've been a great outlet and source of revenue for him. But, I guess, the Man truly is an Artist and Artists like to break out, experiment and explore various medium. I also felt that he really only wrote The Motion Picture because of the very legitimate question he, himself, poses in the forward of it: "Why STAR TREK, again?" After ten years off the air, it's kind of like ... why not just move on and do something else? And he talks about his reasoning and it's interesting to "hear" it coming from the Man, himself. Roddenberry's active participation was clearly necessary to legitimatise the project and give it the clout it needed. His style is all up in it, even though it's obviously a Robert Wise film in most respects.

I mean, the uniforms, the visual style of the production and everything, that's definitely Bob's M.O. but content-wise, it's all about these big ideas, cerebralism and high stakes that are all GR. Maybe his novelisation of the film was, in his mind, but the first he was going to personally write. He certainly didn't expect Paramount to yank it from him and hand it over to others with a completely different viewpoint. So, we'll never get to know that, but I suspect his writing the novel was mainly just to A.) make a profit and B.) maybe even to further the 2001: A Space Odyssey appeal, by having the novel explain more than the movie does and by someone most involved in it. Either way, I've read some STAR TREK novels, like Foreign Foes (Star Trek: The Next Generation Book 31) and Spock, Messiah! (September 1976), for example ... all were pure shite! GR understood how to novelise STAR TREK and make it feel like you're holding a piece of the show, itself. Now, if only I could find where I put the damn thing ...
 
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Honestly, the spelling in the novel is probably the way it is to a) make it phonetic and b) not give away the punchline. Since the name is from the V...GER it probably would be documented in something along those lines, not as Vejur. YMMV.
 
Dear Maurice:
Data's Calabash here again - it STILL make more sense, at least from everything I've seen from 1979 to today, to stick with "just" the Vejur spelling and no other, at least for my own needs, and from my own viewpoint - no matter how much else others would like to use another spelling (it IS a "free universe", of "infinite diversity in infinite combinations!") since Gene himself used it (for whatever reason, and you've stated a pair of very understandable ones!) in his written novelization of STMP, I'm sticking with it...at least it still SOUNDS the same!

For 2takesfrakes, by the way, some of my favorite Trek-NextGen novels are The Captain's Honor, which has a full-blown Magna Roman-crewed Federation starship (with its captain bearing the full name of Sir Patrick's character from Masterpiece Theatre's "I, Claudius", named Lucius Sejanus, no less!), Vendetta (with a much more powerful "Planet Killer" in it, meant as an anti-Borg weapon, potentially from the same mysterious and unknown culture that built "The Doomsday Machine") and for an outright laugh-riot, Q-In-Law (when the only woman who's EVER "given Jean-Luc cold shivers up his spine" whenever she's near, Deanna's mother Lwaxana Troi, decides to give Q a lesson he will not soon forget)...a classic for certain..!

Thanks and Yours Sincerely,
Data's Calabash
 
Dear Maurice:
Data's Calabash here again - it STILL make more sense, at least from everything I've seen from 1979 to today, to stick with "just" the Vejur spelling and no other, at least for my own needs, and from my own viewpoint - no matter how much else others would like to use another spelling (it IS a "free universe", of "infinite diversity in infinite combinations!") since Gene himself used it (for whatever reason, and you've stated a pair of very understandable ones!) in his written novelization of STMP, I'm sticking with it...at least it still SOUNDS the same!
It's consistently spelled "V'ger" in the shooting script, which Gene was a co-writer on, so that justification doesn't quite hold water.
 
Sorry...I'm sticking with it, it IS in Gene's own writing, and I'll let others use what they wish...I'm simply going with Gene's OWN "IDIC" principles that have been part of Trek since its beginning, and since Gene himself DID spell it that way, that's where I'm staying.

Thank you!
 
I watched the DE for a second time only the other week (I usually just watch theatrical cut on TV). I remember being non plussed about the changes but I enjoyed it more this time round. There are still some lines in the SLV that I wish were still in it. I'd love to see a hybrid.

I think the novel uses Vejur to mislead or at least toy with the readers. V'ger is the grammatically correct spelling though.
 
2takesfrakes, by the way, some of my favorite Trek-NextGen novels are The Captain's Honor, which has a full-blown Magna Roman-crewed Federation starship (with its captain bearing the full name of Sir Patrick's character from Masterpiece Theatre's "I, Claudius", named Lucius Sejanus, no less!), Vendetta (with a much more powerful "Planet Killer" in it, meant as an anti-Borg weapon, potentially from the same mysterious and unknown culture that built "The Doomsday Machine") and for an outright laugh-riot, Q-In-Law (when the only woman who's EVER "given Jean-Luc cold shivers up his spine" whenever she's near, Deanna's mother Lwaxana Troi, decides to give Q a lesson he will not soon forget)...a classic for certain..!

Thanks and Yours Sincerely,
Data's Calabash
Thank you, for your recommendations, I may yet chance reading some of them. No. Wait. Do I dare? I've been burned, before. SO many times, with these books. I'm reluctant. But let me put this question to you: this whole spelling of Vejur, thing ... it sounds like you're a very big fan of Gene Roddenberry! Is it true?
 
I don't see how you necessarily get "vee-jur" out of "vejur" anyway. The convention in English is to wrote the "vee" sound with two Es as in veer and veep as opposed to "ve" being sounded as "veh" in venison, veneer, and very.

And I don't think IDIC applies to picayune things like picking spellings. :D
 
I don't see how you necessarily get "vee-jur" out of "vejur" anyway. The convention in English is to wrote the "vee" sound with two Es as in veer and veep as opposed to "ve" being sounded as "veh" in venison, veneer, and very.
Right. With one e, that e is often a schwa, as in velour, which incidentally also has the stress on the second syllable.

I agree, Veejur makes more sense than Vejur.

Full disclosure, I prefer V'ger, with a capital V and lowercase g.
 
Exactly like I was saying...others CAN use what they prefer, and I'll stick with Gene's own writing of it...thanks once again!
I don't see how you necessarily get "vee-jur" out of "vejur" anyway. The convention in English is to wrote the "vee" sound with two Es as in veer and veep as opposed to "ve" being sounded as "veh" in venison, veneer, and very.

And I don't think IDIC applies to picayune things like picking spellings. :D

I'm not sure that I would agree that.. wait.. I mean.. I want to..

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watch the best movie ever.. which is TMP..
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Veeeee juurrr the best. It is the vejur is the best..
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moviee veejur ever. Gene... wants you to watch.. no.. no


NO I can't. It's a wierd ass plot point. Why the hell would a super intelligent machine civilization suddenly have to stop whatever the hell it was doing to build some 60 AU cloud to help lame-brain CLEARLY human made space probe (did the machine's never read the commented code? 10 REM I WROTE DIS FOR NASA DUH)

Don't let TMP Control you. Damnit, you 've got to fight it!

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Sorry...I'm sticking with it, it IS in Gene's own writing, and I'll let others use what they wish...I'm simply going with Gene's OWN "IDIC" principles that have been part of Trek since its beginning, and since Gene himself DID spell it that way, that's where I'm staying.

Thank you!
He spelled it as V'GER in the shooting script and the preceding drafts, which predated the novelization. Your explanation still doesn't make sense to me.
 
I'm not sure that I would agree that.. wait.. I mean.. I want to..

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watch the best movie ever.. which is TMP..
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Veeeee juurrr the best. It is the vejur is the best..
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moviee veejur ever. Gene... wants you to watch.. no.. no


NO I can't. It's a wierd ass plot point. Why the hell would a super intelligent machine civilization suddenly have to stop whatever the hell it was doing to build some 60 AU cloud to help lame-brain CLEARLY human made space probe (did the machine's never read the commented code? 10 REM I WROTE DIS FOR NASA DUH)

Don't let TMP Control you. Damnit, you 've got to fight it!

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Post of the day right here, ladies and gentlemen.
 
That still doesn't mean that the limitations imposed on V'ger for the sake of having a puzzle for Kirk and company to figure out were plausible in light of its abilities.
 
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