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TMP-DE fully restored in 4K…it’s about time!

Hell I rate TFF higher than TWOK.

I'll admit to not seeing this for a very long time. Perhaps I should give it another go. I'll never forget Rolling Stone critic Peter Travers dubbing TFF "Windbags at Warp Speed." But assuming people are serious about preferring TFF to other 80's Trek films what is behind that?

Does the humor hit the mark for you or is it unintentionally funny? I remember the shifting from shore leave to the rescue mission effective. So some sense of adventure.

Sybok's insight that people have a core psychological and emotional wound seemed at least like something people could relate to. Kirk observed that God was better pursued in improving the contents of the human heart rather than crossing space or even metaphysical barriers to find Him (Her, It).

I recall that the presence of the Klingons was weak. Here would have been a great place with a better script to have Commander Kor back. Also the story added a previously unknown Spock sibling from an earlier Sarek marriage. Is that something people like? A willingness to mess up what looked like settled story.
 
Sorry I guess I shouldn't have gone off topic here. I love the DE of TMP. I haven't seen this new restoration yet but I will.

I just got caught up with all this love for TFF and I wanted to understand it.
 
Just to answer @Spectre Of The Fun's question. Thanks for asking it! :)

Yes. It's a bad movie. Really bad. But it's enjoyable. It has the best moments of the Triumvirate in all the 80s TOS films. It feels the most like the original series. And it has a great theme about living with trauma and pain—the philosophical debate between Sybok and Kirk is as good as that theme ever got really explored. And the antagonist wasn't some Khan-clone mustache twirling villain.

TMP is my favorite Trek film... but I rate TFF in my top 5.

1. TMP
2. TREK 09
3. BEYOND
4. TFF
5. TWOK or ItD, depends on how I feel.
 
I'll admit to not seeing this for a very long time. Perhaps I should give it another go. I'll never forget Rolling Stone critic Peter Travers dubbing TFF "Windbags at Warp Speed." But assuming people are serious about preferring TFF to other 80's Trek films what is behind that?

Does the humor hit the mark for you or is it unintentionally funny? I remember the shifting from shore leave to the rescue mission effective. So some sense of adventure.

Sybok's insight that people have a core psychological and emotional wound seemed at least like something people could relate to. Kirk observed that God was better pursued in improving the contents of the human heart rather than crossing space or even metaphysical barriers to find Him (Her, It).

I recall that the presence of the Klingons was weak. Here would have been a great place with a better script to have Commander Kor back. Also the story added a previously unknown Spock sibling from an earlier Sarek marriage. Is that something people like? A willingness to mess up what looked like settled story.

TFF is a flawed film. I would never argue that point, ever. But, that said...I think my unwavering love for it is based on a number of things that are most certainly based on my own personal preferences and values:

1. It is, without a doubt, the film that feels most like an expanded and more epic version of a TOS episode. It has all the hallmarks, good and bad. And, since TOS is far-and-away my favorite version of Star Trek, that plays well for me.
2. The character stuff for Kirk, Spock and McCoy is pure gold...all of it. TSFS did a great job exploring the bonds of friendship with the crew, but it wasn't ideal because Spock wasn't there. Now that the crew is fully reunited, TFF soars in the area of expanding on and exploring the bond between "The Big Three."
3. I actually really enjoy the basic plot. As much as I love the "Trek Trilogy" of II-IV, it's TMP and TFF that feel most like classic "Star Trek missions," and the idea of the ship getting assigned to negotiate a hostage situation, and they end up getting hijacked to go find "God" at the center of the galaxy is, for me at least, a fascinating premise for a film. It's not a guy looking for revenge or a time travel story....it's off-beat and unique an it's something I appreciated about the film.
4. This is one of the only Trek films that went and visited strange, new worlds. There was a sense of wonder and mystery tied with a sense of adventure and fun...and these are the most important hallmarks of Trek for me. I know a lot of people like the political intrigue of TUC and DS9...but my favorite thing about Star Trek is that feeling of wonder mixed with a sense of adventure. I rank TFF over TUC for that reason (and others)...which is definitely an unpopular opinion.
5. This is a gritty, dynamic movie in terms of its style and cinematography. As much as I love the clean, sleek look of TMP, TFF just has the feel of an Indiana Jones movie. Where the other films were fairly static and contained, TFF feels expansive and dynamic. I love that in Trek.
6. Most Importantly: This film has HEART. It's not great. It's not tight. It's not a lot of things...but it has a massive amount of heart and love for the characters and the universe. It oozes out of every scene. I love how it gets in and rolls up its sleeves with the characters and their relationships. And even though it's flawed...everything it does it does with earnestness and heart. For me, that's Star Trek.

Anyway, I'll get back on track with my feelings in TMP DE in my next post (spoilers: I LOVED it)
 
Nice to see some TFF love. It’s deeply flawed, but when you accept that, it’s still entertaining to watch and more than any of the other movies captures the spirit of TOS (and not just because it has an omnipotent godlike being up to no good). It’s a mess, yes, but it does have heart—and a lush Jerry Goldsmith score. I’d rather watch it than any of the Next Gen or Kelvin movies.
 
Just from reading this thread the restored 4K TMP seems to be getting a good reception but with a few issues being mentioned. Do people think that the restoration team will be allowed to rectify any issues that crop up prior to the Blu-ray/4K release in September?
 
Just from reading this thread the restored 4K TMP seems to be getting a good reception but with a few issues being mentioned. Do people think that the restoration team will be allowed to rectify any issues that crop up prior to the Blu-ray/4K release in September?
I think so.
 
It would be nice if they could be given the time and money to do so before it is committed to disc. I'm not sure how much they can improve the officer's lounge scene though.
 
So I finally watched the DE last night. I had to wait and buy an Apple TV 4K device, becuase Paramount + does not stream in surround sound and 4K on most devices (including the XBox, which is what I use for my traditional media and streaming platform).

And, ultimately, I was blown away. It was really amazing. Visually, it is a massive improvement, even over the 4K theatrical realease that took place just a few months ago. The color grading FINALLY looks "right." The contrast and HDR make what can often be a dull-looking film actually appear colorful and dynamic. The crispness and visual detail is frankly astounding. The aztec pattern on the hull of the Enterprise, the greebles on the Amar, the control panels, the texture of the walls and floor....OMG it all pops with amazing clarity and resolution, without any artificial smoothness or artifacts.

The updated CGI is also really good. It's much more seamless than the 2001 DE, and it looks great in the film. There are one or two areas that are a little less-than-stellar (V'ger's "transcendance" at the very end is better in the 2001 DE in my opinion), but otherwise it all looks amazing, and it helps the film feel more expansive and complete than it ever felt.

Honestly, and this is why I'm glad I held out until I got my Apple 4K device, is that the centerpiece to the whole upgrade is the new sound mix. O...M...G it is amazing. Not only did they fix the mix, making the film sound far more dynamic and immersive than any other TOS film in my collection (it's not even close now)...but they tweaked a number of the sounds, added a tremendous amount of depth, and really expanded the whole feel of the film. The "re-discovered" dialogue tracks are even more impressive, as there are subtle things about certain line readings or even just the clarity of the dialoge that absolutely blew me away.

It's not perfect, and with a film like this, there may never be a "perfect" version...but this is about as close as it could get. I really enjoyed the ride, and it's going to be hard for me not to watch it again over the weekend.
 
It would be nice if they could be given the time and money to do so before it is committed to disc. I'm not sure how much they can improve the officer's lounge scene though.
I'll just be happy if they fix the frozen grain on the orbital office shot. That's a genuine glitch, but it should be very quick to resolve. The weird blooms on many of the CG should would be nice to see adjusted, but I can see how that can either be very little work, or a lot of work. The lounge shot would probably require enough finicky adjustments to be out-of-scope for any final fixes. Rotoscoping no fun for the massive teams that do it on Hollywood blockbusters, a handful of people on a restoration project probably don't have the time to do it perfectly, at least not without taking away from literally everything else they could adjust or fix for the final release.
 
All I know is that the physical disk is most likely going to be incredible. If it looked and sounded this good streaming, the disk will most definitely not disappoint....I will pre-order that fucker the min it is available.
 
After I watch the remastered 4K TMP-DE I’m going to rewatch the remaining TOS based films even though I now view them as an alternate continuity.

I agree with what someone said upthread—it would certainly be interesting to see TTF spruced up properly to be more in line with what it could have been.
 
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