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TMNT Season Finale

^ I did pause while I was writing my post. I had a bit of a brain fart when it came to reprise and reprisal. Haha, thanks for the correction.

I agree with what you said about the various TMNT shows. Idk, but I feel people have forgotten or are overlooking the 03 show. It was more faithful in adapting much of the source material from Mirage, but it did go too far in some places. Utrom Shredder, season 4 being so dark, season 5 being more like a season of Avatar TLA (with elemental powers, spirits and dragons), season 6 Fast Forward and season 7 Back to the Sewers (or as I call it TMNT crossed with Tron). Turtles Forever was a good way to close out the 03 Turtles, but it did leave their fates unknown.
 
One of the main things that annoyed me about the '03 series was how bad it was with Japanese culture and pronunciation. It really played up the idea that Leonardo and the Turtles followed bushido, which is the honor code of the samurai, not ninjas. Samurai were the upper-class warriors who eventually became the ruling bureaucracy, roughly equivalent to European knights and nobles, while ninjas were commoners who worked as mercenaries, spies, and assassins and had little use for a code of warriors' honor.

And, oh, the terrible pronunciations. Like the guy in charge of the Battle Nexus -- he was presumably meant to be called the Daimyo, a Japanese term for a feudal lord, but they always pronounced it "Da-mi-yo" instead of "Dai-myo." They didn't do much better with the Usagi Yojimbo characters they used. The actor playing Miyamoto Usagi initially pronounced his name like "Miyamato" instead, and Gennosuke/Gen's name was mispronounced with a soft G at the beginning (like "general") instead of the correct hard G. Although they fixed one or both of those in later appearances.

At least they got the name order right. One thing that drove me crazy about the '87 series is that they kept assuming that "Hamato Yoshi" and "Oroku Saki" followed the Western given name/family name order rather than the Japanese family name/given name order. That is, they treated Yoshi as Splinter's surname and Saki as Shredder's surname, when those were actually their given names.
 
Personally, I didn't even know the 2003 series existed until I stumbled across the "Turtles Forever" tv movie on cable a year or two before the 2012 series started. And I was obsessed with the Turtles as a kid.
 
The '03 series was pretty good in its first five seasons, but it was clunky in some ways, both in writing and production values. The current series is sometimes pretty dumb, but it's wildly imaginative and bold in execution, it has terrific design and storyboarding, and it has a really good voice cast, probably the best of the three. (Although I wish just once we'd get a Shredder actor who actually knows how to pronounce Japanese words.)


I was more interested in the show when they were in New York.

After that it got too gimmicky. They went into space, went into the future and then went all cyber.

They were going to do a season with the kid turtles interacting with the teens too.
 
I was more interested in the show when they were in New York.

After that it got too gimmicky. They went into space, went into the future and then went all cyber.

Well, the '03 series did the "Turtles in Space" arc at the start of season 2, so there was a considerable amount of New York-based material between that and their trip to the future.
 
Preview for the crossover

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"Where did you get that pizza?"

LOL
 
The crossover episode was pretty good. It was nice to hear the original voice actors again, an improvement on the Turtles Forever attempt. They managed to recapture their original voice characterizations pretty well, from what I can remember. (I figured they'd acknowledge Rob Paulsen's dual role in some way, but I hadn't expected Raphael and Donny to call each other's voices weird.) Interesting choice to have Krang be from the same Dimension X as the Kraang, to be an exiled member of their race (so how come he looks so different?). And we even got a glimpse of the Mirage Turtles too, in a much more comics-y form than in Turtles Forever.

(Now I'm wondering if Turtles Forever and the 2003 series can be considered part of the same multiverse, given that their versions of the '80s and Mirage Turtles were not quite identical to these.)

Although I'm sure the 2D animation was done digitally, they did a nice job recreating the look of '80s cel animation, even having the "cel" characters cast a bit of a shadow on the "background paintings."

The one glitch I noticed was a point where '80s Raphael called himself "Real Raph" (when he tried to stop Krang from fleeing through the dimension portal and missed). The '80s Turtles never used nicknames. For some reason (probably marketing-related), they were always, always addressed by their unabbreviated names. The rest of the episode got that right.
 
it was awesome. i agree it was odd to make Krang from the 2012 reality. i seem to remember a line of dialogue in the original series about him having a body before being exiled. i guess he could have been referring to a robot body but i always assumed it was something organic.
 
I've really given up on this show, but the crossover episode was absolutely delightful. I particularly loved the differing animation techniques. I didn't remember the Turtle voices from my childhood, but hoo boy did Krang's voice take me back! :ouch:
 
it was awesome. i agree it was odd to make Krang from the 2012 reality. i seem to remember a line of dialogue in the original series about him having a body before being exiled. i guess he could have been referring to a robot body but i always assumed it was something organic.

Yeah, I remember that now. The TMNT wiki says he had a "powerful reptilian body" and has low self-esteem from being reduced to a small disembodied brain. So that's a pretty major retcon. Also, we did occasionally see Dimension X in the '87 show, and it was portrayed differently than the bizarre cosmos of the current series.
 
Been awhile but new episodes have been airing and they just came back

Here's a slight dig at Bay's turtles involving the elevator scene

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Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but nobody here seems to have been talking about Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles since February. Anyway, it looks like this season, and the series, has finally come to an end. The season has consisted of multiple self-contained story arcs ranging from 1 to 4 episodes -- similar to Star Trek: Enterprise's fourth season, but with less continuity between arcs, so they could be shown in any order. Nickelodeon just showed a movie-length (3-part) storyline this past weekend, another crossover with the '87 cartoon characters, and apparently that's the last of the new episodes to debut. Two other storylines were previously shown on Nicktoons instead of Nickelodeon, so I missed them at the time, but I caught up via On Demand cable. One was a 4-part time-travel story involving classic monsters (Dracula, Frankenstein, mummy, werewolves -- with Dracula played by Chris Sarandon, who was the vampire in Fright Night and Jack Skellington in The Nightmare Before Christmas), and the other -- the final trio of episodes in production order -- was a post-apocalyptic Mad Max homage. I think the reason they weren't shown on Nickelodeon is because they were rather more violent than the usual stuff, not shying away from death like kids' cartoons in the US normally do. They were quite a contrast to the goofy '87 crossover. That was the interesting thing about the Tales season -- the semi-anthology format let it experiment with a variety of tones and styles. A while back, they did a 3-part Usagi Yojimbo crossover that was done in the style of a samurai movie and was really effective, especially in the first part, which had an amazingly well-animated horse chase sequence with much more dynamic camera work than usual for the show. I think this was like Enterprise season 4 in another way -- the producers presumably knew this was their last season, so they felt free to cut loose and do whatever they wanted.

I'm not sure what to think about the series ending (in production order) with a post-apocalyptic storyline about the aged Turtles in a devastated wasteland, with no time-travel reset at the end. Is this the canonical ending for the series? Or is it just an imaginary story or a possible future? I think it's probably the latter, since the existence of Renet in the future seems to indicate that humanity still has a future. But it's kind of daring of them not to answer that question, just to leave this as the final word (although maybe that's why this one wasn't aired last, so as to avoid giving that impression).

Anyway, I'm going to miss this incarnation of TMNT. I think it's the best one there's been, and it'll be hard for the next show (already in development) to match or surpass it. I also really liked the main title sequence of the Tales season, which had a great jazzy arrangement of the theme song (the first animated TMNT series title music this century that I haven't loathed) and really beautifully done, stylized visuals with a similarly retro flavor to them.
 
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