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[CorporalCaptain]

Back home. Hate going to the bathroom in public.

Sarcasm aside, labels have their purpose. Labeling people when trying to engage in actually meaningful dialog is the part I object to. The hindrance comes from personal assumptions that comes from those labels.

So that's a non-answer.

 

[fireproof78]

So that's a non-answer.

To an absurd question. Yup.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

To an absurd question. Yup.

Yeah, so it's one of the ways that people have privilege these days, isn't it, not to have to worry about which way they should be going at that fork in the hallway?

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, so it's one of the ways that people have privilege these days, isn't it, not to have to worry about which way they should be going at that fork in the hallway?

Oh my. I hadn't thought of that....

Labels have purpose. I said that. I also stated that this is how I approach, to strive to treat people as people and not as labels in personal discourse.

ETA: Oh, and I have privilege to. I know that as well. I'm doing that whole working to better myself and humanity thing that some show blathered on about by treating each person as an individual not as a label. Just as a person.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Oh my. I hadn't thought of that....

Labels have purpose. I said that. I also stated that this is how I approach, to strive to treat people as people and not as labels in personal discourse.

But we live in a world where people are labeled by others, often to the personal detriment of the person being labeled. It's pretty much the definition of privilege not to have to worry about that kind of labeling.

 

[fireproof78]

But we live in a world where people are labeled by others, often to the personal detriment of the person being labeled. It's pretty much the definition of privilege not to have to worry about that kind of labeling.

sighs...you know what. It's clear that this is going no where. I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about my approach to try to not label people. That's what I was trained to do is to treat people as individuals and get to know them on a personal level.

People are labeled by others. When did I say they didn't? I truly don't get what is so hard here...

 

[Awesome Possum]

You know nothing about me, so don't presume to know that just because I don't like labels doesn't mean I have myself figured out.

However, your point of view is well appreciated.

Your words are showing enough about you, more than you realize.

 

[fireproof78]

Your words are showing enough about you, more than you realize.

Yeah, apparently...

 

[Refuge]

Yeah, apparently...

Fucking sucks...after today death would be better.

You're fine, I don't get why they are ganging up on you

 

[fireproof78]

You're fine, I don't get why they are ganging up on you

Because I said the wrong thing. Fuck today.

 

[Refuge]

Because I said the wrong thing. Fuck today.

Oh... do you want to talk Discovery? I promise to be positive!

 

[fireproof78]

Oh... do you want to talk Discovery? I promise to be positive!

Nah, I'm good. Probably not the best time to be online. Thanks though.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

sighs...you know what. It's clear that this is going no where. I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about my approach to try to not label people. That's what I was trained to do is to treat people as individuals and get to know them on a personal level.

People are labeled by others. When did I say they didn't? I truly don't get what is so hard here...

So, I wanted to get an idea of how that approach of yours copes with a real-world problem that relates to people getting detrimentally labeled by others. You provided a non-answer. That speaks volumes.

Living in a world without labels works for you, I get that. I dodge many bullets too, though by no means all. But I also get that many people have to cope with labels with detrimental consequences that get arbitrarily and unreasonably applied to them by others, and that, since living without labels altogether is not a practical option, the next best thing is labeling that better reflects reality.

That's really all I have to say about it, at the moment.

 

[fireproof78]

So, I wanted to get an idea of how that approach of yours copes with a real-world problem that relates to people getting detrimentally labeled by others. You provided a non-answer. That speaks volumes.

Living in a world without labels works for you, I get that. I dodge many bullets too, though by no means all. But I also get that many people have to cope with labels that get applied to them by others, and that, since living without labels altogether is not a practical option, the next best thing is labeling that better reflects reality.

That's really all I have to say about it, at the moment.

Since I never advocated for living without labels altogether, I'll have to agree with you. I am in complete support if people can use labels positively. Like many things, they get used negatively. I fucking hate it and hate myself for apparently not being able to articulate myself in a manner that makes fucking sense!

I provided a sarcastic answer. Apparently that means everyone has me all figured out. I wish someone would tell me.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I promise to be positive!

So old wolves can learn new tricks.

 

[Refuge]

So old wolves can learn new tricks.

Yes

 

[Awesome Possum]

Since I never advocated for living without labels altogether, I'll have to agree with you. I am in complete support if people can use labels positively. Like many things, they get used negatively. I fucking hate it and hate myself for apparently not being able to articulate myself in a manner that makes fucking sense!

I provided a sarcastic answer. Apparently that means everyone has me all figured out. I wish someone would tell me.

You're coming off as demeaning and dismissive, then when others try to explain that to you they get sarcasm which comes off as insulting. That's why people are reacting the way they do.

 

[fireproof78]

You're coming off as demeaning and dismissive, then when others try to explain that to you they get sarcasm which comes off as insulting. That's why people are reacting the way they do.

Then I apologize. That was not my intent or purpose to dismiss or demean anyone. Your sharing your perspective means far more than I let on and for that I am appreciative.

And seriously, fuck today and fuck me.

 

[Trekkin]

But when a label is applied to you, it's demeaning.

Not necessarily, Reapropriation aside (I have sex with other women. Most of the labels that you would consider acceptable descriptors for that, started as attempts to be demeaning), nearly none of us choose most of our labels.

I mean, say you’re a straight, cis, white, male. Whether those labels are correct or not, you hardly chose those descriptors, did you? Chances are, you’ve never questioned them much at all.

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What’s kinda funny about this ‘You can’t just scream ‘bigot!’ and expect people to learn!,’ is that I have really never seen that happen. Us big and sccaaaaawy SJW types, are usually very happy to explain their position. With passion. At length.

Nearly the sole exception, is when they catch on to a sea lioning, Which nearly requires a conversation to have already been going on for some time anyway, so the excuse still doesn’t hold up.

Maybe the issue is more that some people hear something like ‘that’s racist’ in response to what they do or say, and just stop listening.

 

[Spot261]

Unfortunately, calling people bigots serves no purpose here and is in itself a form of bigotry, a way to isolate a person or group, to label them and in more recent years it's used as an assertion without evidence. It is ineffective. Calling someone a bigot is not used as a tool to teach but as another form of name calling.

A factually accurate statement is not bigotry. It's a perfectly legitimate label to use if that person has offered a bigoted position. The "group being isolated" are defining themselves by that bigotry and therefore have made such comments accurate by their own behaviour, thus there is no "reverse bigotry" happening.