Timo's Hobbyist's Guide to the UFP Starfleet

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by thesonofodin, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. Idran

    Idran Commodore Premium Member

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    Are you going to do anything to incorporate the former Andorian Guard ships from Uncertain Logic and Live by the Code that were carried over into Starfleet with AGC registries as opposed to NCC, out of curiosity?
     
  2. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I am going to include anything that saw service either in the UESF or the UFP SF at some point - even if it's only a tiny part of that ship class seeing such service, with the rest serving other organizations altogether (say, I do this with some FASA ship designs that in theory are civilian-commercial). As long as those Andorian ships have that USS in front of their names, I'm going to give them a chance eventually. Some cool ENT-Vulcan stuff I have already been able to include in parts II and III - it's a damn shame they retired their big ships before there was UFP SF. :devil:

    I'll have to come up with a string of excuses for why only the saucer-hulled, cigar-engined ships ultimately survive, of course. The novels tell why Vulcan bows out of the game, but it's not as if the canon or fanon ships of the late 22nd century retain major ENT-Andorian influences, either.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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  3. Idran

    Idran Commodore Premium Member

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    Christopher did at least give them credit for one thing in RotF: bridge design. He noticed that in Enterprise what we saw of Andorian bridges was much more like the TOS-style bridge than the NX-class bridge was, so he went ahead and made bridge layout a descendent of Andorian design lineage as a way of at least adding in some non-human design inspiration.

    There actually was a brief passage in RotF as well going over part of why Earth-style engines and ship designs would end up beat out Vulcan and Andorian, let me see if I can dig that up. Might be something you could use as a jumping-off point or inspiration?

    Edit: Here we go.

     
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  4. Timo

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    Okay, Andorian ships added. Never mind that there are only two canon designs for those - I still chose to disregard one, or at least the association Memory Beta makes between it and a light cruiser class described in Christopher's novels. Luckily, John Eaves made a couple of nice sketches I could make use of.

    So, Sevajien light cruiser (name from novels, Eaves sketch, for STO actually), Kumari battle cruiser (canon, name from novels), Taholsin destroyer (FASA name, pending a design, there's a placeholder there) and Thofsin cruiser (FASA name, Star Fleet Battles design) in Part I. Tanathooef frigate (FASA) and Ilthirin courier (novels) in Part II (using the second canonical Andorian design, because sizewise it's a bit too small to be a light cruiser and has other attributes making for a nice courier or escort). And then Yravas fightercraft (novels, Eaves sketch) in Part III. Plus something of an ongoing story, where I try to indicate that the Imperial Guard is but a tiny faction of the broader Andorian armed forces, that the Andorians are relatively new to the space business, and that there is more to their relationship with Earth than meets the antenna.

    Vulcans next, I guess. I hate it when novels try to establish that the name of an individual canon ship is the class name for that design, but I accepted it for Kumari already... There are plenty of Vulcan types in Parts II and III already, so it's the big cruisers I have to insert.

    And then Tellarites. Only one canon ship out there, the minimally modified Arkonian one. That one's gonna be difficult.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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  5. USS Pike

    USS Pike Ensign Newbie

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    Parts la and ll and lll have disappeared into the ether. I sincerely hope this is because they are being updated and will be reinstated in due course. Timo?
     
  6. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Hmm, odd. Will fix now. Updates upcoming at uncertain future date; there's a nice selection of Vulcan designs and ship class names available but I'm not yet quite decided on how to fit those together.

    What I really want to do is yank out all the noncanon warp engine designations and work out a new system around the canon and established-fanon ones. And read up on the early-UFP-Starfleet events in recent novels to streamline that part of the timeline.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  7. USS Pike

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    The fix didn't seem to work. The link on page 2 only shows part lb.
     
  8. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Weird. I can't make them not show up there, even if I empty my buffers and all. And I can't figure out why Ib ought to be special, as I reprinted all of them into pdfs today and reuploaded the whole trio. Perhaps the problem will go away if I go to sleep and wish real hard...?

    I'll be back at it tomorrow.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  9. USS Pike

    USS Pike Ensign Newbie

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    Hurrah! All parts are back! Cheers Timo. Are you planning an entry for the Andorian Thufir class?

    Matt
     
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  12. publiusr

    publiusr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Nice.
     
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  13. thesonofodin

    thesonofodin Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    I guess its that time of year again to ask the question: Timo, any updates ?
     
  14. Mark_Nguyen

    Mark_Nguyen Commodore Commodore

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    Moreover, how will the addition of the DSC era shake this oeuvre d'art to its core, if at all? :D

    Mark
     
  15. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    'Tis the season to despair, verily. I have written an all-new treatise on how the Horizon class starts out as a frontline combat cruiser and then diversifies into a couple of shuttlecarrier designs until it becomes a has-been that is only good for spore drive experimentation. It starts out with a ship that has a cigarlike secondary hull that will plausibly evolve into the Constitution one, plus enough greeblies to launch the triangular secondary hull theme, based on this art from a familiar and trusted source:

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    Beyond that, I'm just dumping the Axanar registries and ships and trying to fit the DSC ones in instead, but I've not made much headway there. Not that I'd find them objectionable in any way, it's just a chore...

    This is just about the first time in canon that I have to accept a single class spread out across different NCC ranges in the 23rd century. In the 24th, there's plenty of room to apply "batches" and "remakes" and whatnot, but not in the 23rd. Oh, well - I already did it once with the LUG cruiser registries, postulating a common design produced in alternating mission-customized batches, and I might try something like that here, too.

    Let's see if the "holidays" provide enough free hours for some progress.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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