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Time's Arrow

As far as cliffhangers...

Best of Both Worlds > Redemption > Descent > Times Arrow

I always thought Times Arrow was by far the weakest.
 
Speaking of cliffhanger, I hated how after BOBW, every single season had to end with a cliffhanger. Just because. And then every Voyager episode, and every ENT episode. At least DS9 didn't try to conform. :)
 
My feelings about this episode changed over the years. The first time I re-watched it years after the original broadcast, I loved it. I just saw it as a really fun adventure that was enjoyable for the novelty of seeing the crew all done up in period costumes and taken out of their comfort zones. Then I watched it again and felt that part one is still okay, but rather lifeless, while part two is a complete disaster.

It makes a big difference that Mark Twain is hardly in the first one, because when he starts hogging screen time in the second one, he sinks everything. His accent and mannerisms are so gratingly irritating, they just suck the life out of every scene he's in. Knowing Jerry Hardin from his great performances on The X-Files now, it's weird to see him deliver one that's so off. I hate that these episodes are on the "Time Travel Collective" DVD set instead of "Time Squared" (one of my favourites) and "Clues". If any of you voted for "Time's Arrow" to be on that set, I shake my head disapprovingly at you. :p
 
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Here is how I look at the four season finales:

Cliffhangers:
1.BoBW--shock of Locutus and Riker ordering "Mr Worf, Fire!"
2.Redemption--Worf resigns and a Romulan that looks like Yar steps out
3.Descent--Data evil, joining with Lore, rogue Borg
4. Times Arrow-crew stepping into the past.

Best finale episode as a complete show:
1.BoBW-compelling from start to finish A+
2.Descent-riveting A-
3.Times Arrow-interesting set-up. B+
4.Redemption-it took a while for this episode to get going and some of the Klingon stuff slow. B

Best premiere as a complete show:
1.BoBW II-every bit as riveting as Part I A+
2.Redemption II-this was decent but should have been spread out over more than just two episodes. B
3.Descent II-not as strong as Part I. Crusher in command was good and some of the Borg stuff interesting with Hugh. B-
4.Times Arrow II--disappointing--they could have done more with it. C

Best season finale/premiere combo treated as one big two hour episode:
1.BoBW
2.Redemption
3.Descent
4.Times Arrow
 
I hate that these episodes are on the "Time Travel Collective" DVD set instead of "Time Squared" (one of my favourites) and "Clues". If any of you voted for "Time's Arrow" to be on that set, I shake my head disapprovingly at you. :p
“Clues” is one of my favorite TNG episodes.

I enjoyed seeing Guinan step into the realm of Dixon Hill as his cousin from Cleeeveland (her helping poor Madeline say “incommunicado” and snapping her garter and “So, this is what you do for fun?” or “I think I’ve had enough fun for today” are all great) to Data’s idea to pipe the comm into the phone inside the holodeck(so very, very Data) in order not to be too disruptive.

Then the beautiful shots of the T tauri system in the beginning as we hear Picard’s log over the shots of the crew. I liked how the episode started out as another routine survey until the camera pans out to see everyone unconscious all over the bridge. That was a great moment that allows for an intriguing way to get the show started. It immediately threw me into a feeling of there has to be more to it but what exactly? The episode just started it can’t be over yet. So what is up?

I liked that for a while the show continued as nothing was wrong with the crew returning to their normal duties after everything quieted down. But it didn’t take too long to realize something wasn’t quite right. Once again the fiery Dr Crusher is determined to get to the bottom of this mystery and is the first to suspect something is off by noticing her Diomedian scarlet moss. The gradual discovery each time of the unexplained various 'clues'(the moss, Troi’s scare, Worf’s broken wrist, the loss of a whole day, Data lying, the probe’s falsified image) that suggested more was going on made for intriguing & unsettling moments that only further pulled me in as I pondered what really happened and what was exactly Data's involvement in all of this and how was the mysterious nebula connected?

The crew take smart, sensible steps to investigate and confirm their suspicions from Beverly checking the ensign’s biological cycle to Geordi checking the ship’s internal chronometer. And seeing the crew keep Data out of the loop and working behind Data’s back was very odd to see as he has been a fellow officer now his loyalty is being questioned. I liked the little details the writers thought of and included which helped to create a tight script such as crew thinking about such a minute detail as the lack of beard growth to sending a probe; the idea of a wormhole to account for any discrepancies in the ship’s chronometer was also very clever by the Paxans. Of course it would be truly unsettling and unnerving not knowing what could have possibly happened to you or was done to you during a period of missing time. So I obviously liked how the writers held off until the very end to fill it all in. That way it allowed you to ruminate on possible scenarios. The choice to use flashbacks to show the missing day and watching earlier preconceptions about what happened and how they were quickly disproven was fun. The flashback technique was put to great effect here as all the fragmented clues all come together for an interesting replay of events--sorta like LOST.

The idea of a stalemate with the Paxans was an interesting idea not really used often in stories so it was definitely fresh I thought. This episode had a lot of wonderful twists like when Data reveals Picard was the one who had ordered him to lie.

Picard once again demonstrates why he is a captain and puts in a great performance and Brent does a great job with Data trying to follow secret orders and steer the crew away from the secret that could destroy them. Picard deftly handled the Paxans giving his crew a reprieve for a second time from a certain death at their hands. There were also plenty of nice character moments:the friendship between Data/LaForge comes through nicely in their scene in engineering as Geordi runs a diagnostic. It is clear Geordi wants to do anything he can to help his friend out of this bind and seeing Geordi uncomfortable with being the one to gather the evidence to incriminate Data was also good; Worf revealing Klingons normally wouldn’t discuss minor discomfort was an interesting tidbit too.

It is always nice to see Nurse Ogawa. I just absolutely love her.

The ending choice of choosing to fade into another day with the crew unconscious like we saw at the beginning of the episode was a great choice. I also really, really liked the camera lingering on a Data for a few seconds as the show came to an end satisfied for being able to successful pull all of this off for a second time without a hitch and saving his crew.
 
No way, Time's Arrow is way better than Redemption and Descent.

I don't know, Redemption was really good.


J.

Redemption is the one cliffhanger that Pt. 1 and 2 are about equally good.

BOBW and Descent both have 1st episodes that far outpace the 2nd part, although BOBW 2nd part is much better than Descents. Times Arrow has 2 meh/bad episodes period.

Also I enjoy Cliffhangers, I am glad Trek had some.
 
I believe this is possibly the 3rd worst Trek season finale of all time, beating out Shades of Gray and These Are The Voyages, but that isn't saying much.

The Jack London character makes me want to throw my laptop clear across the room (watched it on YouTube). In addition, Jerry Hardin as Samuel Clemens made me want to stick knives in my ears, just so I wouldn't have to hear him.

The plot was also weak. Every other sentence is technobabble, but it isn't saved by a story around it that works.

Thoughts? Comments?

I thought it was quite entertaining and beautifully photographed....it simply wasn't as good as some of the great finales that we've had.
 
^ Tons of great moments, and I love the scenes with Mark Twain. For me, he stole the show, and when, aboard the Enterprise, he apologizes to Data's silent form and pats him on the shoulder, well, a little dust got in my eye just then <ahem>.

J.

I think one's enjoyment of this two-parter probably hinges at least partly on how you feel about the scenes with Twain. For the most part, I enjoy these episodes, but I find the Twain character extremely annoying, and I don't like his scenes with Troi, where she lectures him on how perfect human society has become. The utopia aspect of TNG has never been its strong suit in my opinion.

I think these episodes would have been better if the writers had done more with the fact that bringing Twain forward in time is reversing the plot of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. Somehow Twain's visit to the future is not as much fun as it should have been.
 
I have always had a soft spot for these episodes... and while I agree, Part 2 is a bit of a letdown, there are several fun moments, several cool moments, and I agree with someone above who likened it to Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. Sure, there are a lot of nitpicks and leaps in logic, but I generally find that Part 1 holds up as quite a good cliffhanger -- what's the mystery all about? What do these aliens want? Will they get Data back? And that last shot of the crew putting their balls on the table and stepping through the vortex? Awesome.

Part 2 has its issues. But it also has a lot of nice scenes. Sure, the Jack London thing seems contrived now, but at the time it was neat. Picard changing bulbs, Crusher as a nurse, Riker decking the cop, Geordi and Troi reading Midsummer Night's Dream upside down, the grumpy landlady with a crush on Picard... The scene in Part 2 when Data wrangles the horse-carriage and arrives just in the nick of time to rescue his ship-mates was excellent. Clemens calling Worf a wereweolf.... its all very obviously a romp disguised as a mystery.
 
Speaking of cliffhanger, I hated how after BOBW, every single season had to end with a cliffhanger.

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At least DS9 didn't try to conform. :)

Except when they did? They didn't really go the 2-parter route, but they did put some danger in to their finales that would be resolved in the opening episode of the next season. "The Jem'Hadar" leads right in to "The Search"; "Broken Link" has a thread resolved in "Apocalypse Rising"; "A Call to Arms" is a set up for the six-part opener of season six. I do like the way they did it a little differently on DS9, but they didn't ignore the cliffhanger idea entirely.
 
Except when they did? They didn't really go the 2-parter route, but they did put some danger in to their finales that would be resolved in the opening episode of the next season. "The Jem'Hadar" leads right in to "The Search"; "Broken Link" has a thread resolved in "Apocalypse Rising"; "A Call to Arms" is a set up for the six-part opener of season six. I do like the way they did it a little differently on DS9, but they didn't ignore the cliffhanger idea entirely.

I think one could argue that DS9's finales were more "gamechangers" than cliffhangers, the difference being that there is nothing that can be resolved in the sequences immediately following the beginning of the next season, but moreso a change in the whole scenario that will be played out over many episodes, or even whole seasons.

Examples:
Season 2, first encounter with the Dominion. This isn't resolved until the end of the show.
Season 3, the changeling infiltrator. This continues to be an issue throughout season 4.
Season 5, the loss of the station, which could probably have been played like a cliffhanger with some kind of swift resolution at the beginning of season 6, but instead we got the 6-episode arc.
Season 6, a rattled Sisko returns to Earth. Sisko's double identity as Captain and Emissary isn't really resolved until the end of the show.

Odo's pronouncement that Gowron is a changeling at the end of Season 4 is probably the only true cliffhanger in the bunch, since it is resolved swiftly and never really surfaces again. That doesn't mean, however, that DS9 wasn't influenced by TNG in this respect. The show certainly went for the big season-ending event like TNG did, it just took a different form because of the show's different premise.
 
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