What I wanted to know was what makes the writing crappy in itself- the so-called plot holes, the so-called erasing of whatever you believe got erased? Because all I got was that the reboot pissed you off, and not that the film was in itself bad.
Timelines, reality,star trek, canon, and the Truth!
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As I said elsewhere
Technically it's actually a branching of the timeline that follows on from the previous timeline and turns back on itself:
The old continuity still happened- then this happened *after* it.
It's like...
>--ENT--->---60s TOS--->---TNG--->---DS9--->--VOY-->---\--->24th century folks except Spock--->--->
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*/----<-----<----<--Spock & Nero---<-----<----<-----<-----/
/
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*\---->---Abrams-TOS--->
Technically it's actually a branching of the timeline that follows on from the previous timeline and turns back on itself:
The old continuity still happened- then this happened *after* it.
It's like...
>--ENT--->---60s TOS--->---TNG--->---DS9--->--VOY-->---\--->24th century folks except Spock--->--->
*************************************************\
*************************************************/
*/----<-----<----<--Spock & Nero---<-----<----<-----<-----/
/
\
*\---->---Abrams-TOS--->
A Very insulting video, which calls Roddenberry a Hack...
Quick Question, it seems clear this is the forum for future fans of star trek... Where is the one for actual Fans?
It's satire.
I don't think you or anyone else has the right to say who is or isn't a fan of Star Trek.
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>--ENT--->---60s TOS--->---TNG--->---DS9--->--VOY-->---\--->24th century folks except Spock--->--->
*************************************************\
*************************************************/
*/----<-----<----<--Spock & Nero---<-----<----<-----<-----/
/
\
*\---->---Abrams-TOS--->
>--ENT--->---60s TOS--->---TNG--->---DS9--->--VOY-->---\--->24th century folks except Spock--->--->
*************************************************\
*************************************************/
*/----<-----<----<--Spock & Nero---<-----<----<-----<-----/
/
\
*\---->---Abrams-TOS--->
SO if what your saying is true, how come in first contact the enterprise, which was protected by the temporal wake... actually saw an altered earth, sure when the borg went back that just created an alternate universe....
RIGHT?
Can someone explain that for me im confused?
RIGHT?
Can someone explain that for me im confused?
I'd agree with your correlation. It's certainly why I dislike the film.
As for the film's exposition... that sort of boils down to "JJ decided to change how timetravel has been portrayed in Trek for 40 years because it suited the moment". Considering that kind of attitude was exactly what drove me crazy about The Braga Years, its really not going to win me over.
Still, at least you're not calling us crazed losers. That seems to be most common reaction to people unhappy about the film
I am not alone...
There are still fans who believe as i do
No you are not alone. Im still unsure myself exactly what this timeline is. Its has to either be a new timeline universe created at the instance Nero entered the past. So the Kelvin we instantly see is already changed and we never really get a chance to see what things looked like before or it is the universe we are used to but altered or it could even be a parallel universe that was already different from the main universe. So many possiblilities and the film didnt really explain it well.
BESIDE that I went into the film with an open mind and I will say it again it was underwelming. I actually like Nemesis better that this film. I am surprised by the amount of fans who did like it. MANY of them who hated Nemesis because of CGI effects and Picard supposedly not acting himself.
This new film has to me anyways worse special effects than Nemesis and messy camera work. The villian is horrbile and the spiky mining ship seems similar to Shinzons ship. The TOS characters of Scotty and Chekov are bordering on Final Frontier silly. Spock is not as reserved in this timeline and seems to evoke to much emotion to easily.id really love this clarified for me
There is really no rules for time travel paradoxes in Star Trek. The writers use whichever they feel works at the time. After first contact its understood that everything is back to normal. That what the producers intend. Its the original universe again with a slightly altered past. So its whatever the story calls for I assume. Fans are the one who inssit there are alternate universe created everytime there is time travel and that we are now watching a different set of characters.
id really love this clarified for me, without using the old.... thats different, or... thats not what JJ ment
You just keep repeating yourself over and over again like a broken record and don't comment on any question directed to you that goes in a slightly different direction. So I gather that the film as a piece of fiction isn't what's bothering you, but you just can't accept the whole alternate reality thing.
That's it, isn't it? That's your entire beef with this new film. Seems like it anyway.
That's it, isn't it? That's your entire beef with this new film. Seems like it anyway.
Well its what the whole film hinges onso you really cant blame him. The rules about alternate universe's are so inconsistant in the Trek universe to begin with can you really blame anyone for dislking a film based on it?
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Sorry man, i ment to respond but i genuinely got distracted by that vid...
So Plot Holes, The enterprise design, spocks romance, spocks irrationality, The star dates, The dates in general, Captain Pike,
Well that could have created an Alt time line... its just that the Ent-E crew corrected events so that when they returned to the future it was as they expected it to be. If they had done nothing and just returned they would returned to a borg furture.
I'm not blaming him. It's just that he really made very clear that the writing was crappy in his opinion, and the writing, to me, doesn't limit itself to the time-travel theories applied. Besides, he really goes out of his way to insult not only JJ but also the fans who liked the film. Resorting to sarcasm doesn't always help, especially when you ignore real arguments.
Hal: it's okay, if you didn't mean to insult the people, but try to reign it in a little. Oh, I'm not a man, btw.
Hal: it's okay, if you didn't mean to insult the people, but try to reign it in a little. Oh, I'm not a man, btw.
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You see man, i see what your sayin, but in all honesty the rules are plain and simple.... Bad guy goes back... changes history, good guy follows, Fixes history Case closed. Slight variations but nothing magor different with the future they return to. nothing like say 6 MILLION DEAD< AND A RATHER IMPORTANT PLANET HAS GONE MISSING... now where did i leave that planet?
This is what's annoying me about your argumentation, see: you refuse to allow any opinion that differs from your own about this. The rules are not plain and simple. They may be to you, but others can have a different opinion and still be right. We are talking about theories that can't really be proven, anyway.
I get the crappy writing thing now, even though I don't agree.
I get the crappy writing thing now, even though I don't agree.
If I insulted anyone on this thread i humbly apologise... it wasnt intended..
As for insulting JJ, well in my opinion, he isnt a brilliant writer... His films make money sure... But there pretty low on the interesting scale, and hes not alone.
AS for the money thing, AVP Requim raked in 10 times its budget... is there anyone here who could put hand on heart and say that was a well written movie...
Sorry about the gender business too by the way, i wasnt being stereo typical. Its just in Ireland, man is a common phrase, and i cant shake it!!! lol
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