Spoilers Timeless: Season 1 on NBC
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Here's the one Scout mentioned:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-cubs-world-series-prediction-20161103-story.html
This tweet from 2014 was even more accurate (except for the apocalypse part
) right down to the tie score sending it into extra innings in Game 7, though it's not from as as far back, timewise:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/03/technology/world-series-twitter-prediction/
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-cubs-world-series-prediction-20161103-story.html
This tweet from 2014 was even more accurate (except for the apocalypse part
) right down to the tie score sending it into extra innings in Game 7, though it's not from as as far back, timewise:
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/03/technology/world-series-twitter-prediction/
Sorry, but this is just wrong. Suppose you go back 10 generations and kill one ancestor. The next generation, all descendants of the newly deceased are different people entirely. And, their offspring *will* be entirely different people. And so on all the way up to the present. If you are the descendant of the person who was killed in the original timeline, you won't exist in the altered history.
This is not a case where you're just changing a letter in a book but everything else remains the same. You change one person in the lineage and every subsequent ancestor is different person. It's not like you change a person and the end result is that in the modern time everything is the same except some minor trivial DNA difference.
But, it's not just about genetics. Each new person behaves differently, makes different decisions, and probably chooses a different partner. That means subsequent generation is even more different. People reproducing with entirely different people, living entirely differently lives, etc. Those changes will spread out from the original 1024 and affect other lines.
I fundamentally disagree with your idea of how it works.
Mr Awe
Butterfly effect.
Pebbles in ta river.
Pulling at the threads of a tapestry.
Yup.
Pebbles in ta river.
Pulling at the threads of a tapestry.
Yup.
^As I've said many times, I do not dispute the possibility that it can happen that way. I am merely pointing out that it doesn't invariably have to, that that's just one of the two possible outcomes. After all, those changes are only in one of your many ancestral lines. We're conditioned by patrilineal naming to think of ourselves as having only one heredity, but we have many separate ancestral lines. Go back and kill that one ancestor 10 generations ago and the other 1,023 of your ancestors will still be alive just as before. Why assume it's absolutely certain that the one who died is the one who will make the most pivotal changes? As I've said over and over, some changes are amplified by the factors around them and others are damped out by the factors around them. That's basic physics and math -- some interactions are additive, others subtractive. Two different changes can amplify each other or cancel each other out. It's a mistake to insist it can only happen one of those ways. Causality is far too complex to insist that's the only possibility in 100 percent of cases.
I think you're over looking that killing one ancestor doesn't just result in one interaction not happening (conception), but all of the interactions that person would have had over the course of their life time. While what you are suggesting is possible, it would be highly improbable that I as a descendant would be the same physical and metaphysical person if one of my ancestors is taken out of the family tree.
Your father banging your mother 10 minutes later (or earlier) than he did would make you a different person. Removing an ancestor could mean others down the line are completely different or not exist at all.
Could, doesn't have to. That's the point. And I'm not talking about your father and mother, but many generations further back, which is why it's a different matter.
The chances that it wouldn't are next to nil. Doesn't even have to be 10 minutes. 10 seconds would do it. Slightly different temperature in the room would do it. A different position would do it. etc. You'd never be born; someone else would be.
Well probably a few people may have heard that the TIMELESS production company was involved in a lawsuit by a company claiming NBC stole the idea. It would be pretty funny if it was a DOUBLE steal.
You see some years ago I was in a game involving fantasy networks. Players would create their own shows and people would vote on the ones they liked best...the more votes the higher the ratings. People on this boad were kind enough to help me get votes
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/fant...me-time-travel-series-divergent-point.104402/
One of my series was DIVERGENT POINT. A tale about a sabatoged time travel project that destroys history. A team of military and scientific team must then travel about history to set things right. The unique twist was it turns out OUR history is the alternate timeline so they have to change things in our past to get back to what they know is the prime timeline.
I got a lot of nice positive feedback on it including this board with suggestions I should do something with it...which I did. I made the story into a graphic novel and was selling it on wordpress. Flashforward to now and I'm amazed at TIMELESS...it made me wonder if the company that was suing NBC got their hands on a copy.
Change a couple ethnicities and you've got a main cast that pretty well matches DP.For instance like the project heads Mason and Bannister both being older black gentlman. You've got the two government types etc. The comic relief characters Freemont and Rufus. Outside of the J in their names only Jax and Jiya don't quite line up. I immediatly noticed the similariies in the pilot and it continued on in the episodes. There is even the whole predestination theme with the two female leads Zoe and Lucy. Then the Alamo story came up and that is the very OPENING of DIVERGENT POINT....you can see the first six pages with the Alamo as a preview here.
https://www.amazon.com/Divergent-Po...?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1479164458&sr=1-1
While its highly unlikely its sure a huge co-incidence. I am enjoying TIMELESS but at the same time I am sad because that's what I could have done with DP if I had the backing of Hollywood agents and studios but I'm just a regular person.
^That's the way it goes -- different creators constantly come up with nearly the same ideas, but only one of them gets to sell it first. There have been multiple instances where I've come up with an idea but was so slow in the execution that someone else had gotten something similar published/aired before I could finish writing or selling my version.
Sad but true Christopher. Sad but true.
Anyway, a lot of advancement of the Rittenhouse arc this week. I'm not crazy about what we learned. Stories about vast, sweeping conspiracies that go back centuries are annoying. It's been mathematically demonstrated that the larger a conspiracy is, the shorter the maximum amount of time that it can be kept secret. To be kept even for one century, a conspiracy would need no more than 125 people involved. The bigger a conspiracy gets, the more chances there are for accidents or mistakes or deliberate disloyalty to lead to its exposure. And all these giant fictional conspiracies that rule the whole world and are impossible to prove are a tiresome cliche.
I think this episode marks the latest point in history that we'll ever see them travel to as long as they're chasing Garcia Flynn, since Goran Visnjic is 44 years old. Assuming Flynn is the same age, then he traveled back to just a couple of months before his birth. And as he said, you can't travel to a time when you already exist. Except there's a problem there, because Matt Frewer was born in 1958, but he was in the episode set in 1962. I guess the character could be younger than the actor, but Frewer looks older than his actual age to me.
My favorite bit was hearing the phrase "Jedi mind trick" spoken by the character played by Matt Lanter, aka the voice of Anakin Skywalker on The Clone Wars.
I think this episode marks the latest point in history that we'll ever see them travel to as long as they're chasing Garcia Flynn, since Goran Visnjic is 44 years old. Assuming Flynn is the same age, then he traveled back to just a couple of months before his birth. And as he said, you can't travel to a time when you already exist. Except there's a problem there, because Matt Frewer was born in 1958, but he was in the episode set in 1962. I guess the character could be younger than the actor, but Frewer looks older than his actual age to me.
My favorite bit was hearing the phrase "Jedi mind trick" spoken by the character played by Matt Lanter, aka the voice of Anakin Skywalker on The Clone Wars.
I don't know about anybody else but I'm frankly tired of these global conspiracy shadow groups. I'm also tired of the ptrope of characters being related to other key players ie Lucy's dad behind rittenhouse which all brings me to my point. I think timeless would be much better off dropping the mythology and just telling interesting standalone stories each week without getting bogged down in these tiresome unwieldy mythologies. And I sure hope the show isn't going down the road of Lucy somehow actually setting all this in motion via some time travel paradox with her journal or inadvertently creating rittenhouse in 1778 herself--which has been done a million times
I was unsure whether Lucy's dad was the same old guy who was in the limo with Rufus and Mason or a different old guy. I'm not that great with faces. But I think the voice was different.
Same guy. He was putting on a good Poker Face to hide that he knew Lucy. So his voice and personality he was projecting was a little different.
See, that's what I was expecting. But I still wasn't sure it was the same actor.
I checked some of the online recaps. TVLine and Vulture agree that Benjamin Cahill is Rittenhouse Limo Guy, though Entertainment Weekly didn't seem to notice.
I think the clumsiest part of this episode was the pretense of the characters assuming "the Doc" meant "the document" instead of "the doctor." Who in the world would think that? The latter is far, far more common than the former. Especially in the context of 1972. If anyone today does use "doc" in that way, it's probably due to the influence of .doc filename extensions. Back then, I don't think anyone would've said "doc" to mean "document." For that matter, it was absurdly contrived to have both Nixon and Rittenhouse Guy independently refer to the doctor as "the Doc." Unless that's, like, her official title within the conspiracy. Which doesn't make sense, because her role is hereditary and presumably unrelated to her doctorate in history.
Also, what do you want to be that the Doc's son is Connor Mason?
It's a bit sad that fiction no longer gets to speculate about the identity of Deep Throat, now that we know it was Mark Felt. Now we're left with speculating about the missing 18 1/2 minutes.
Read the DP synopsis. It could have been a good show. But... it seems to be a hopped up Quantum Leap. Which doesn't mean it's bad or a rip-off. It's a time travel story. There are only so many of them. When I say hopped up, I mean that there's a team of travelers as opposed to Sam Beckett doing this alone. You have the supercomputer that has the original history (counterpart to Ziggy) in there too. 
