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Spoilers Timeless: Season 1 on NBC

This week's episode was definitely better then the last.
It was nice to get to see Rufus's home life. We've seen lots with Lucy, so it was a nice change of pace to get to see someone else outside of the mission.
We also got some nice story movement with all of the secrets coming out.
See, that's what I was expecting. But I still wasn't sure it was the same actor.

I checked some of the online recaps. TVLine and Vulture agree that Benjamin Cahill is Rittenhouse Limo Guy, though Entertainment Weekly didn't seem to notice.
I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who had trouble identifying him. I know they wanted this to be a big surprise, but with them being so mysterious in the last episode, I was expecting this. I was expecting it to be Flynn, but this is really so close I don't really see it being any different.


I think the clumsiest part of this episode was the pretense of the characters assuming "the Doc" meant "the document" instead of "the doctor." Who in the world would think that? The latter is far, far more common than the former. Especially in the context of 1972. If anyone today does use "doc" in that way, it's probably due to the influence of .doc filename extensions. Back then, I don't think anyone would've said "doc" to mean "document." For that matter, it was absurdly contrived to have both Nixon and Rittenhouse Guy independently refer to the doctor as "the Doc." Unless that's, like, her official title within the conspiracy. Which doesn't make sense, because her role is hereditary and presumably unrelated to her doctorate in history.
Yeah, that was weird. I thought maybe I missed a reference to it being a document.
Also, what do you want to be that the Doc's son is Connor Mason?
I was more surprised we didn't get this reveal, than I was by the reveal of Lucy's father.
It's a bit sad that fiction no longer gets to speculate about the identity of Deep Throat, now that we know it was Mark Felt. Now we're left with speculating about the missing 18 1/2 minutes.
I did get a kick out of the missing 18 minutes being a conversation about Rittenhouse.
 
Yeah, we are finally getting some background story other then Lucy's. Which is good.

Is this there first time they mention the rule about not being able to travel back to a time when 'the teams' exist? Seems like the first time they said it in show.
 
Is this there first time they mention the rule about not being able to travel back to a time when 'the teams' exist? Seems like the first time they said it in show.

They obviously need a team of highly trained pre-teens for special missions. That could even be a spin-off:

Timeless: The Tween Years
 
From the pilot...

[aircraft hovering] [stirring music] Okay, just one thing that I don't get.
Apparently, this time machine works.
So why don't we just go back five minutes before Flynn stormed in and then shoot him in the face? You can't go back to any time where you already exist, where you might meet a double of yourself.
It is bad for the fabric of reality.
Define "bad.
" We tried it once.
The pilot came back, but not all of him.
 
So opposite of QL, then. Sam could only go back within his lifetime, this team can only do the opposite.
 
It's a little unclear what that means from a time perspective. Is the demarcation date the date-of-birth, the date-of-insemination, the day the female egg becomes usable, etc.

So opposite of QL, then. Sam could only go back within his lifetime, this team can only do the opposite.

Yep. They did something similar in the Justice League episode Hereafter. In the future, Vandal Savage invented a time machine, but he couldn't send somebody back to a moment in time in which he/she already existed.
 
^OK, ya lost me with the 1+1=3 there.
"Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Dr. Sam Beckett stepped into the quantum leap accelerator and vanished. He awoke to find himself trapped in the past, facing mirror images that were not his own, and driven by an unknown force to change history for the better. His only guide on this journey is Al, an observer from his own time, who appears in the form of a hologram that only Sam can see and hear. And so, Dr. Beckett finds himself leaping from life to life, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home."

Meanwhile these people explode if they travel inside their own life times.
 
Watched the most recent episode. Pretty decent and interesting. Not a fan of the "monolithic, all-powerful, secret organization" trope but it seems to be starting to hit a stride here and, possibly, our characters on a path to side with the bad-guy on some level or another?
 
Rufus can drive the time machine, he can go back 4 hundred years and create his on conspiracy to destroy Rittenhouse and take over America.

This isn't going to be a Chinese whispers thing, and the group was originally called Rotten house?
 
I wonder why Lucy has no interest in getting the names of Rittenhouse members (from their creation through the early 1970s). That sounds like some pretty good intel. Doc could have just said no, but Lucy didn't even bother to ask.
 
I was replying to you, not the QL comment by Scout101.

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Are you replying to something I edited out?

I did burble on, decided that it was rubbish, and erased it from space but not time.

How bizarre.
 
I wonder why Lucy has no interest in getting the names of Rittenhouse members (from their creation through the early 1970s). That sounds like some pretty good intel. Doc could have just said no, but Lucy didn't even bother to ask.

Lucy arrogantly believes that she is from the original timeline, and doesn't want to open any cans of worms, that will pull the timeline she is living in even further away form her home timeline, that needs to be restored so that she doesn't feel uncomfortable, no matter the consequences to the entire planet.
 
Doc could have just said no, but Lucy didn't even bother to ask.
Man, that intel would have been valuable. If you think about it -- if they destroy Rittenhouse, then funding for building the time machine would not exist. Unless some OTHER mysterious organization takes its place instead and funds it. Then back to square one.
 
On the "can't travel back to a time you're already in..." thing.

It seemed instead of trying to relax it or ignore they actually.... tightened it?

When it was originally brought up I took it as they can't go back to re-try because they're already there it'd cause a compounding of paradoxes that had unpredictable results. That's what I took from the "no second chances" thing; not that you couldn't go back to a time you already exist in at all. Which is pretty much on par with the "same matter cannot occupy the same space" thing from Timecop.

There's no "logical" reason why they couldn't travel back to a time they already exist in so long as they don't interact with the other version of themself (again causing paradoxes.) And it seems limiting as far as the time periods we'll see. We're really not going to see more of the 70s or the 80s and 90s at all?

I still suspect sooner or later they'll technobabble out of that handicap. Sort of like never nailing down how "fast" warp speeds are or how the technology in Trek works, it ties your hands. So this self-imposed handicap is going to be story block sooner or later and they're going to need to ditch it.
 
Man, that intel would have been valuable. If you think about it -- if they destroy Rittenhouse, then funding for building the time machine would not exist. Unless some OTHER mysterious organization takes its place instead and funds it. Then back to square one.

Define square one.

They had had maybe hundreds of jaunts in their time machines before Lucy turned up, Lucy's square one is Matt Frewer's square 200.

If they stop the invention of time travel, just be choking the money supply even... Or Rufus killing his grandfather... That has no effect on the travelers in the past.

They are going to return to the present, with a time machine, but that command centre will not be there, and they will be alone, and the shape of time will be what it looked like hundreds of jumps before Lucy turned up, which could still also be very unfamiliar.
 
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