The hero time-travelers had no idea it existed. They thought the plutonium core was in the briefcase -- which was a decoy that they fell for completely while Flynn's people were burying the actual core way out in the desert somewhere.
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The hero time-travelers had no idea it existed. They thought the plutonium core was in the briefcase -- which was a decoy that they fell for completely while Flynn's people were burying the actual core way out in the desert somewhere.
remember also Flynn & gang were already in the car heading back. Meaning they already buried the core in the ground so team Lucy had no idea they buried it or where. What was silly was Wyatt being able to point out it was Flynns' car up ahead. It could have been anyone.
Flynn left a pretty big hole in Nevada when he dug up the bomb. If the time lab people have any decent scientists or tech people or computer software that finds the hole, the team could just go back and dig it up first.
But the "time lab people" didn't even know it had been buried. For all they knew it sat in a warehouse for 60 years.
They should be monitoring *everything* with the scope of the timeline at stake. Their last mission was in vegas? Be scanning around vegas for any and all inconsistancies or signs of anything out of place. A big new crater? That should make some news reports or youtube "weird / strange" videos. That should be automatically tagged and investigated.
I think it was just a hole they dug. Might be a lot holes being dug around Vegas on any given day.
Also, it was in the desert. People don't realize how vast and empty the southwestern desert is, how sparsely inhabited it is by humans. There's so much territory out there that you'd have a hard time finding anything if you didn't know where to look.
Exactly, there is a reason the Mob is suspected of dumping bodies in the Desert outside of Vegas. Nobody will ever find them.
I'm getting to like this show. The characters are interesting, there's some fun writing, and the perspective on history is interesting, the questions being raised about the moral ambiguities and darker elements of American history.
Although I'm not enjoying the obligatory overarching mystery/arc elements so much. Why can't someone just tell us what Rittenhouse is? It's getting ridiculous how every week Flynn confronts Lucy and says "One day you'll understand why I do this." Dude, she's standing right there! Just tell her already!
I figured out last week, and confirmed this week, that the main title animation changes every episode. The display starts out showing the month, day, and year being traveled to in that episode (in this case "12071944," I think) before changing to "TIMELESS." Which makes me wonder what will happen if they ever travel to, say, 336 BC. Although I guess if Flynn's goal is to change United States history, he's unlikely to go back much further than the 1400s.
Although I'm not enjoying the obligatory overarching mystery/arc elements so much. Why can't someone just tell us what Rittenhouse is? It's getting ridiculous how every week Flynn confronts Lucy and says "One day you'll understand why I do this." Dude, she's standing right there! Just tell her already!
I figured out last week, and confirmed this week, that the main title animation changes every episode. The display starts out showing the month, day, and year being traveled to in that episode (in this case "12071944," I think) before changing to "TIMELESS." Which makes me wonder what will happen if they ever travel to, say, 336 BC. Although I guess if Flynn's goal is to change United States history, he's unlikely to go back much further than the 1400s.
I was comparing this to the episode of Galactica 1980 where they did almost the same thing.
I need that note book explained so I can get the rules down.
Rufus keeps arriving home into a subtly different, new present where somehow he is always being blackmailed by assholes, who only hired him because they knew he was Time Traveller. How dumb are you Rufus!? They found you and trained you to invent time travel because they had already met future you, and seen his time machine, that he boasted that he invented! If you really want to save/change time, then kill Rufus before he in tips off the past to keep an eye on him when he's a teenager applying to colleges.
I need that note book explained so I can get the rules down.
Rufus keeps arriving home into a subtly different, new present where somehow he is always being blackmailed by assholes, who only hired him because they knew he was Time Traveller. How dumb are you Rufus!? They found you and trained you to invent time travel because they had already met future you, and seen his time machine, that he boasted that he invented! If you really want to save/change time, then kill Rufus before he in tips off the past to keep an eye on him when he's a teenager applying to colleges.
Right? That was what, about half scale?
The camo was close to correct, but none of them had great big iron crosses painted on them.
I especially loved the word "WARNING" near the access plate, in English.
I'm enjoying this series mainly because it's fun. It's not an amazing series or extremely thought provoking. It's mostly just fun, which is OK. I do enjoy seeing the different time periods in a show that, apparently, has a decent budget. The changes in the time line are also fun, such as the "new" James Bond movie! The deeper changes like her sister and fiance are interesting as well.
There are a few things that are getting a bit old. Both teams (good and bad) go back in time and they have one mission on how to affect history. If the good team can stop the bad team, they both apparently just return to the present. Why not have alternate plans? The bad team can do anything in the past just to mess up the future. If they want to impose a constraint that seems realistic, I suppose the bad team is interested in only certain types of the present. That limits what they will do, but not to quite the same degree as the good team who decidedly wants to minimize any changes at all.
I guess my point is that the series paints the two teams on almost equal footing. The bad team goes to the past and the good team just has to respond. The bad team does have a bit of advantage by choosing the when and where and getting to start first. However, "in reality", the good team is at a huge disadvantage, larger than the one that is portrayed. The bad team is more free to commit general mayhem whereas the good team is much more constrained. There are glimpses of that, but . . .
Any, how many times will there be a reason to not shoot Flynn, even though they're always running into each other. And, if Flynn wants to work with Lucy, why not just tell her about it!
I'm pretty sure that Anthony is Lucy's father. That seems very likely.
Mr Awe
There are a few things that are getting a bit old. Both teams (good and bad) go back in time and they have one mission on how to affect history. If the good team can stop the bad team, they both apparently just return to the present. Why not have alternate plans? The bad team can do anything in the past just to mess up the future. If they want to impose a constraint that seems realistic, I suppose the bad team is interested in only certain types of the present. That limits what they will do, but not to quite the same degree as the good team who decidedly wants to minimize any changes at all.
I guess my point is that the series paints the two teams on almost equal footing. The bad team goes to the past and the good team just has to respond. The bad team does have a bit of advantage by choosing the when and where and getting to start first. However, "in reality", the good team is at a huge disadvantage, larger than the one that is portrayed. The bad team is more free to commit general mayhem whereas the good team is much more constrained. There are glimpses of that, but . . .
Any, how many times will there be a reason to not shoot Flynn, even though they're always running into each other. And, if Flynn wants to work with Lucy, why not just tell her about it!
I'm pretty sure that Anthony is Lucy's father. That seems very likely.
Mr Awe
I think it's definitely thought-provoking, more so than your typical time-travel show or movie, because it's confronting a lot of the darker aspects of American history and challenging conventional perspectives and raising hard questions about the ethics of time travel. Having been a history major myself, I'm quite enjoying the show's thoughtful approach to history.
Yeah, that was the first time we've ever seen Wyatt so enthusiastic about anything.
I think it's pretty clear that Flynn has specific changes he wants to bring about, rather than just haphazardly changing stuff. That's why his goal was to hand von Braun over to the Soviets instead of just killing him or giving Germany an A-bomb.
As for why they always come back to the present, I think this episode explained that -- Flynn's machine only had enough power for one jump at a time, and had to recharge afterward, something it could only do back home. Now that they have a nuclear battery, that may change, but I assume the machine needs tech support and maintenance by people who know what they're doing, so there's a need to return to the present for that. Also for research, supplies, and other logistical support -- not to mention period costumes and gear, as we saw addressed this week. It takes a major operation to support Lucy, Wyatt, and Rufus; no doubt the same is true for Flynn, Bruhl, and their team.
Yeah, that bit would have been funnier if they had actually made up a new Bond movie, but come on, "Weapon" is one of the most over played films in the franchise. I'm sick of seeing it referenced.
The show has been improving with each episode.
The tour of their costume room was a fun little scene.
The "Bond"/Ian Fleming stuff was a lot of fun.
I liked seeing them address the ethics of bringing someone like Von Bron over to work for the US after the war.
That last scene with Rufus was interesting, and it does seem to reveal that Rittenhouse is a group rather than just one individual. I'm starting to get an Illuminati, secret conspiracy group kind of vibe from everything that's been said so far.
The tour of their costume room was a fun little scene.
The "Bond"/Ian Fleming stuff was a lot of fun.
I liked seeing them address the ethics of bringing someone like Von Bron over to work for the US after the war.
That last scene with Rufus was interesting, and it does seem to reveal that Rittenhouse is a group rather than just one individual. I'm starting to get an Illuminati, secret conspiracy group kind of vibe from everything that's been said so far.
Wow... The fact that you interpreted their mentions of Wernher von Braun's name in that way just underlines how atrocious their German pronunciation was.
I also think their portrait of von Braun was a little harsh. I don't believe he was that callous about seeing the research he did with an eye toward space travel being co-opted for war. He famously reacted to the news of his rockets being used to attack London by saying that "the rocket worked perfectly, except for landing on the wrong planet." He saw it as his duty as a citizen to help his nation in time of war, but he wasn't cold or unfeeling about the loss of life.
As a contrast to this episode, I'd recommend seeing Hayao Miyazaki's film The Wind Rises, about the Japanese aviation engineer who developed the Zero fighters used in WWII. It's a good portrait of someone who just wants to advance the science of flight but has to cope with the reality of seeing his work co-opted for war -- not liking what the government is doing with his work, but not seeing any other choice given his circumstances. By some accounts, von Braun was probably pretty similar. Although there are other accounts that paint him more as a willing accomplice in Nazi atrocities.
In fact, von Braun was arrested by the Gestapo for suspected disloyalty just two months after the fictitious events of this episode, and was freed only because of his indispensability to the rocket program. A year later, it was von Braun's own choice to surrender to the Americans so that his inventions would be in the hands of people "guided by the Bible" for the good of the world. In 1946, he converted to evangelical Christianity, a decision that some people believe was an act of penance.
