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[TheMorningSage]

Why do they feel the need to keep going back, before the original series, like enterprise, or the new movie, there are so many other things they can do to reboot the show, it seems a shame that they can't think of anything new, like going further into the future perhaps. it seems a shame also that the dont thoroughly keep the time line in check and keep the consistancy of the stories in check. its time for something completely new, surely thats a far better way of gaining fans and not alienating the old ones at the same time.

 

[Thor Damar]

It's all down to the Temporal Cold War. Damn you Future Guy!

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Why do they feel the need to keep going back, before the original series, like enterprise, or the new movie, there are so many other things they can do to reboot the show, it seems a shame that they can't think of anything new,

Well, prior to ENT there was never a Star Trek show set before the original series, so that was new. Before Star Trek '09 we'd never seen a depiction of Kirk and crew before the original series, so that is also new. And besides that, the movie depicts an altered time line, which in many ways is completely new to us.

Just because they're not going forward in the timeline doesn't mean that they aren't thinking of new things.

And honestly, I couldn't give two craps about keeping the timeline "in check" or whether the "Star Trek Universe" is consistent. As long as its entertaining, I'm happy.

 

[kissthestar]

I agree. There are so many series premise possibilities, why don't they show more imagination?

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

They're trying to recapture what was originally popular with Star Trek, it's "essence."

Only a portion of what was popular was the characters and settings. Another portion was the storylines.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why do they feel the need to keep going back, before the original series, like enterprise, or the new movie, there are so many other things they can do to reboot the show, it seems a shame that they can't think of anything new, like going further into the future perhaps. it seems a shame also that the dont thoroughly keep the time line in check and keep the consistancy of the stories in check. its time for something completely new, surely thats a far better way of gaining fans and not alienating the old ones at the same time.

Since they've never really bothered to "keep the time line in check and keep the consistancy of the stories in check." before, why start now?

 

[The Grim Ghost]

Why do they feel the need to keep going back, before the original series, like enterprise, or the new movie, there are so many other things they can do to reboot the show, it seems a shame that they can't think of anything new, like going further into the future perhaps. it seems a shame also that the dont thoroughly keep the time line in check and keep the consistancy of the stories in check. its time for something completely new, surely thats a far better way of gaining fans and not alienating the old ones at the same time.

I agree. Why not keep moving forward? That way you don't have to worry about messing around with old stories and timelines. Seriously, there is a whole galaxy out there to play with, even an entire universe. With all of that to play with they really need to keep rehashing the same characters and storylines? That is sad.

To me Trek is all about moving forward. Looking to the past, rebooting and prequel nonsense just shows a complete lack of new ideas.

Just think, with today's attitudes we would have never gotten the Next Generation series.

 

[Nerys Myk]

TNG was a reboot.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

^ Same universe, different time period, all new characters.

Maybe you consider that a reboot, but I don't. I call it progression.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

The fact is they need to get a new audience and still be Trek. Say what you will, but Kirk and Spock and Bones were iconic characters. They truely are the stars and the soul of Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

^ Same universe, different time period, all new characters.

Maybe you consider that a reboot, but I don't. I call it progression.

It was a reboot. Changing the era was minor thing. The TOS era was always a bit fuzzy anyway. They just put all the character traits of the TOS characters in a box, shook them up, pulled them out and gave them new names. Thats not real progress.

 

[kissthestar]

They're trying to recapture what was originally popular with Star Trek, it's "essence."

Only a portion of what was popular was the characters and settings. Another portion was the storylines.

What was popular was the freshness. By definition, that's never recapturable, never canned.

 

[urbandk]

^ Same universe, different time period, all new characters.

Maybe you consider that a reboot, but I don't. I call it progression.

It was a reboot. Changing the era was minor thing. The TOS era was always a bit fuzzy anyway. They just put all the character traits of the TOS characters in a box, shook them up, pulled them out and gave them new names. Thats not real progress.

Yeah I mean, remember Pulaski.

And they kept giving us a new Spock. Every series. If it wasn't a Vulcan, then it was Data or a loner like Odo.

 

[Myasishchev]

Archetypically, Odo might've been Spock, but he was still a sight more original than Data's reverse-Spock schtick. Still never understood why he didn't just go become a logical god on Vulcan and forget those silly humans.

The reason they don't go into the future (25th century) is because the late 24th century was a failure, artistically as well as economically. See Voyager, Insurrection, and Nemesis. So they went back. Too bad the fault was not in the time period, but in themselves.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The fact is they need to get a new audience and still be Trek. Say what you will, but Kirk and Spock and Bones were iconic characters. They truely are the stars and the soul of Trek.

Yeah. The current strategy is the most likely to result in what Trek needs now, which is to once again be taken seriously as a successful franchise by both mass audiences and Hollywood honchos. JJ has the right idea.

If we're ever going to get around to the ideas I want to see - TV series based on post-Dom-War Cardassia or another and more successful stab at the Birth of the Federation concept - the new movie is the one and only route. Otherwise, there ain't gonna be no quatloos for anything called Trek.

 

[NickInABox]

I like that Abrams is going back to the original. Its like, the basis for the entire Trek continuity.
I feel that Enterprise, though, broke that continuity too badly... TOS is the best place to start, because the rest of the franchise was sort of... motivated by Kirk

 

[azebelys]

i heard a rumor a few years back (before enterprise) that the next series was going to be based around starfleet academy. does anyone know of any truth to this? also, how good an idea is this? personally i think it would be excellent as i dont think there is enough 24th century trek showing what is happening within the federation HQ. they could still go out on training missions but the idea of a series being based on earth does really appeal to me

 

[Blackster]

I can see the validity in what they've tried to do with Trek since DS9/TNG/VOY ended.

I mean, what is there left to say about the latter part 24th century now? Not much. We don't need another show there - books can (and have) show the fallout adequately. So we go into the 25th century right? New era, new crew, new Enterprise... great, but do we need to? Wouldn't we just be rehashing old storylines with new aliens and characters?

Enterprise fell into this exact trap in it's first two seasons. I thought the premise of a prequel was superb. I really liked the Temporal Cold War. Where the show went wrong was by trying to be TOS/TNG but a hundred years earlier. Only in S3 and then S4 did it really start living up to it's potential, taking risks - having ongoing storylines, character development. By then it was too late.

The next Trek series really needs a fresh idea if it's going to sustain. That doesn't mean jumping 50/100 years ahead and doing the same pattern. It won't work a second time around.

 

[kissthestar]

Wouldn't it be great if they would disregard censorship fears and really show us earth in the 24th century?

 

[ltcmmanderdata]

you have point