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Time Machine (2002)

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Fleet Captain
So i just watched this again last night and I'm still confused as to how humans seem to "de-evolve" after part of the moon crashes into earth.

Does the book explain this in more detail? From the movie I am to infer that there were a few survivors after the moon incident, but you would figure they would rebuild a modern society.

If it weren't for the scene with the library computer I would of assumed that humanity was 100% eraticated or left earth and that the new people we see 800,000 years into the futures is a different (less intelligent) species, however the computer said that humanity split evolutionary paths with those lower world people.
 
I remember being excited to see that movie, and then being terribly disappointed. As such I haven't gone back to see it since the original theater viewing so I'm not much help. Sorry.
 
I read the book recently and I have to say it doesn't. In fact, I think that part was totally fabricated for the movie as nowhere in the book does the moon crash into the earth.
 
I find the movie alright up until the big jump forward. The time travel FX are fun to watch, and Guy Pearce does bring his A game to the film, but...ehhh...

That said, the music is among my favorites, and it's amazing to see Orlando Jones deliver an acting job that is actually not awful.
 
I actually have the DVD, and despite the huge discrepancies from the book, I quite enjoyed it.
 
Yeah, there's no moon stuff in the book, though of course there's still the underground/above people split. I kind of vaguely recall them mentioning somewhere in the movie that some took refuge underground to escape moon-disaster. Maybe the Eloi (above ground) are descended from survivors on the surface, who had to build civilization from scratch? Or maybe the Morlocks (underground) breed them specifically (or both)? Maybe that was just my personal take, but it works for me, anyway.
 
I actually have the DVD, and despite the huge discrepancies from the book, I quite enjoyed it.

I also have the DVD. Despite my preference for the George Pal 1960 verson, I enjoy this one too. My most favorite part though, is Klaus Bradet's soundtrack. Excellent music. I listen to my CD all the time, it never gets old. I've heard that there is a 2 CD expanded edition, but so far, I can't seem to find it. Too bad too, my current CD is just about worn out.
 
H.G. Wells said:
'At first, proceeding from the problems of our own age, it seemed clear as daylight to me that the gradual widening of the present merely temporary and social difference between the Capitalist and the Labourer, was the key to the whole position. No doubt it will seem grotesque enough to you—and wildly incredible!—and yet even now there are existing circumstances to point that way. There is a tendency to utilize underground space for the less ornamental purposes of civilization; there is the Metropolitan Railway in London, for instance, there are new electric railways, there are subways, there are underground workrooms and restaurants, and they increase and multiply. Evidently, I thought, this tendency had increased till Industry had gradually lost its birthright in the sky. I mean that it had gone deeper and deeper into larger and ever larger underground factories, spending a still-increasing amount of its time therein, till, in the end—! Even now, does not an East-end worker live in such artificial conditions as practically to be cut off from the natural surface of the earth?

'Again, the exclusive tendency of richer people—due, no doubt, to the increasing refinement of their education, and the widening gulf between them and the rude violence of the poor—is already leading to the closing, in their interest, of considerable portions of the surface of the land. About London, for instance, perhaps half the prettier country is shut in against intrusion. And this same widening gulf—which is due to the length and expense of the higher educational process and the increased facilities for and temptations towards refined habits on the part of the rich—will make that exchange between class and class, that promotion by intermarriage which at present retards the splitting of our species along lines of social stratification, less and less frequent. So, in the end, above ground you must have the Haves, pursuing pleasure and comfort and beauty, and below ground the Have-nots, the Workers getting continually adapted to the conditions of their labour. Once they were there, they would no doubt have to pay rent, and not a little of it, for the ventilation of their caverns; and if they refused, they would starve or be suffocated for arrears. Such of them as were so constituted as to be miserable and rebellious would die; and, in the end, the balance being permanent, the survivors would become as well adapted to the conditions of underground life, and as happy in their way, as the Upper-world people were to theirs. As it seemed to me, the refined beauty and the etiolated pallor followed naturally enough.

'The great triumph of Humanity I had dreamed of took a different shape in my mind. It had been no such triumph of moral education and general co-operation as I had imagined. Instead, I saw a real aristocracy, armed with a perfected science and working to a logical conclusion the industrial system of to-day. Its triumph had not been simply a triumph over Nature, but a triumph over Nature and the fellow-man. This, I must warn you, was my theory at the time. I had no convenient cicerone in the pattern of the Utopian books. My explanation may be absolutely wrong. I still think it is the most plausible one. But even on this supposition the balanced civilization that was at last attained must have long since passed its zenith, and was now far fallen into decay. The too-perfect security of the Upper-worlders had led them to a slow movement of degeneration, to a general dwindling in size, strength, and intelligence. That I could see clearly enough already. What had happened to the Under-grounders I did not yet suspect; but from what I had seen of the Morlocks—that, by the by, was the name by which these creatures were called—I could imagine that the modification of the human type was even far more profound than among the "Eloi," the beautiful race that I already knew.

[...]

The Upper-world people might once have been the favoured aristocracy, and the Morlocks their mechanical servants: but that had long since passed away. The two species that had resulted from the evolution of man were sliding down towards, or had already arrived at, an altogether new relationship. The Eloi, like the Carolingian kings, had decayed to a mere beautiful futility. They still possessed the earth on sufferance: since the Morlocks, subterranean for innumerable generations, had come at last to find the daylit surface intolerable. And the Morlocks made their garments, I inferred, and maintained them in their habitual needs, perhaps through the survival of an old habit of service. They did it as a standing horse paws with his foot, or as a man enjoys killing animals in sport: because ancient and departed necessities had impressed it on the organism. But, clearly, the old order was already in part reversed.

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