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Time dilation?

When the Air Force Colonel in "Tomorrow is Yesterday" threatens to lock Kirk up for two hundred years Kirk replies, "That outta be just about right." I think we can accept Kirk's remark as somewhat flippant and sarcastic considering the situation.
 
I was gonna say that for retcon's sake maybe we could say that Warp 5 became the new barrier...but then in TATV weren't there references to new warp 7 ships?
 
There was a reference to such a project - but no certainty that the project would ever succeed.

OTOH, both Vulcan and Klingon starships of the time easily attained warp six. Since Vulcans supposedly would become solid allies to the Earthlings, a "warp five barrier" would make little sense. Several UFP vessels would be capable of exceeding it from the get-go!

On the "The Cage" claim of "the time barrier being broken", we can think up half a dozen explanations that try to belittle or negate this odd line. After all, the bulk of Star Trek pseudohistory doesn't seem to be suggesting that anything radically important happened to warp propulsion in the first half of the 23rd century.

-Perhaps the Time Barrier indeed was related to how fancy time-dilation effects plagued the early high-warp ships. When the engineers figured out a way to avoid that time dilation, high-warp flight became more practicable.

- Perhaps the Tyme Barrier was a barrier limiting the performance of antimatter powerplants - a technical obstacle, or a financial one. When the engineers figured a way around that one, the new ships could be equipped with better engines that could sustain warp six for longer than the previous ships. The ships didn't have a higher top speed, they just had a higher average speed, which made all the difference.

- Perhaps the Taym Barrier was a physical wall of some sort, blocking space travel in a certain region. Breaching it, with the help of the new, more heavily protected or armed ships, then allowed for shortcuts that would shorten the homeward trip of the Columbia survivors.

- Etc.

Timo Saloniemi
 
^Fascinating. Your spelling of the word "time" deteriorates over the length of your post. A hidden message perhaps?
 
I like the Taym Barrier hypothesis. It fits in well with the Trekkian idea of barriers and impassable areas. Maybe a barrier was erected around Talos to keep the Talosians in, not unlike the pseudo-god's barrier in TFF?
 
Early Warp Engines required extensive amounts of herbs and spices to mask the smells - Thyme was especially popular. :lol:
 
I had assumed that Botany Bay had an encounder with some type of object or had a spacial sublight drive that allowed it to get to about half lightspeed more quickly than others of its type--the same way Voyager 6 went farther than it should have.
 
I like to consider that, even though the principle of time dilation passes every scientific test, the term itself is a bit overdramatic, meaning that it could well be that it's not time itself that is affected but processes.

So if you measure how much the half-life of a short-lived particle is extended by hurling it at more than half the speed of light in a particle accelerator, its decay is slowed down rather than actual time from that particle's perspective. The results are the same. The description is just less colorful and less open to allowing for time-travel sci-fi.

Only one problem, LCARS 24:
Special Relativity easily allows for time travel into the future - simply by accelerating to near the speed of light.
And Relativity allows for time travel into the past, too - ex by flying around a spining singularity, using the relativity of simultaneity in conjunction with frame-dragging.

Time dilation is actually one of the least 'weird' aspects of special relativity
 
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