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Tim Russ should've been TUVOK on the 1701-B in GENERATIONS!

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Aquehonga

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The beginning of Gens takes place about 3 years after STVI:TUC yes?

So, Tuvok could've transferred or been transferred to Skipper Cameron Fry's 1701-B very easily. There's no reason why not.

At the time Gens was being made V'GER was in pre-production, if not the pilot & alot of the 1st season episodes already made.

GENS release date was only 2 months before “Caretaker” premiered on UPN.

So, I think Tim Russ's nameless 1701-B crewmen should've been given pointy ears & left everything else the same.

Let it be a somewhat subtle “invisible” treat for aficionados & “canonuity”:cool:

At the end credits, aficionados would notice:
Officer Tuvok played by Tim Russ

As time went on, this, had it been done, would've been great for V'GER & GENS:hugegrin:

Plus, this would've strengthened “Flashback”:bolian:

How come it didn't cross the minds of TPFB&B to do that:confused::wtf:

PS: 1 of Skipper Fry's bridge personnel is Vasquez from ALIENS:cool:
 
Those scenes on the Enterprise-B were shot before TNG wrapped. Casting VOY was probably a few months away. It wouldn't surprise me if seeing Russ in Generations made them think he would make a good Tuvok.

Neil
 
And I doubt they'd even thought of "Flashback" yet. Actually, if anything, having the Enterprise-B officer be Tuvok might have spared us that embarrassment.
 
Tim Russ auditioned for the part of Geordi LaForge for Star Trek: The Next Generation. As we all know the part went to Levar Burton. IIRC, they hired Tim Russ for Star Trek: Generations because they liked him from the LaForge audition. The casting of Russ as Tuvok happened after his appearance in Star Trek: Generations.

Sorry, not possible for Tim Russ to appear as Tuvok if the part hadn't been cast at the time.

nx1701g said:
Aquehonga said:
The beginning of Gens takes place about 3 years after STVI:TUC yes?
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No, both take place in 2293.
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Placing the events of both films months apart is the doing of Michael Okuda in the Star Trek Encyclopediam and the Star Trek Chronology. STVI:TUC was released in 1991 and ST:Gen was released in 1994.

I guess they could have used CGI to put Vulcan features on Russ in Star Trek: Generations - The Director's Edition. But Russ has so little screen time it doesn't seem worth the effort.
 
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I have to admit, that would have been neat to give a little foreshadow/fan-wink to the then-upcoming Star Trek: Voyager, and I bet, had casting been done by this point, they might have gone that route. Alas, it wasn't in the cards.

Maybe when they remake GEN... :p
 
yeah not really sure what the point of this thread is but, the character Tim Russ plays in generations is just a small throw away role. and russ hadnt yet been cast as tuvok. so it really wouldnt have made a difference anyways.
 
If Tuvok was in Generations, wouldn't that have made it harder to tell Flashback, if there were Enterprise-B scenes in it?
 
Aquehonga said:
The beginning of Gens takes place about 3 years after STVI:TUC yes?

So, Tuvok could've transferred or been transferred to Skipper Cameron Fry's 1701-B very easily. There's no reason why not.

At the time Gens was being made V'GER was in pre-production, if not the pilot & alot of the 1st season episodes already made.

GENS release date was only 2 months before “Caretaker” premiered on UPN.

So, I think Tim Russ's nameless 1701-B crewmen should've been given pointy ears & left everything else the same.

Let it be a somewhat subtle “invisible” treat for aficionados & “canonuity”:cool:

At the end credits, aficionados would notice:
Officer Tuvok played by Tim Russ

As time went on, this, had it been done, would've been great for V'GER & GENS:hugegrin:

Plus, this would've strengthened “Flashback”:bolian:

How come it didn't cross the minds of TPFB&B to do that:confused::wtf:

PS: 1 of Skipper Fry's bridge personnel is Vasquez from ALIENS:cool:
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I've always considered Russ' character in that movie as Tuvok.

Read my comments about Russ' appearances here: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Voyagermysteries.html
 
Lynx said:
Aquehonga said:
The beginning of Gens takes place about 3 years after STVI:TUC yes?

So, Tuvok could've transferred or been transferred to Skipper Cameron Fry's 1701-B very easily. There's no reason why not.

At the time Gens was being made V'GER was in pre-production, if not the pilot & alot of the 1st season episodes already made.

GENS release date was only 2 months before “Caretaker” premiered on UPN.

So, I think Tim Russ's nameless 1701-B crewmen should've been given pointy ears & left everything else the same.

Let it be a somewhat subtle “invisible” treat for aficionados & “canonuity”:cool:

At the end credits, aficionados would notice:
Officer Tuvok played by Tim Russ

As time went on, this, had it been done, would've been great for V'GER & GENS:hugegrin:

Plus, this would've strengthened “Flashback”:bolian:

How come it didn't cross the minds of TPFB&B to do that:confused::wtf:

PS: 1 of Skipper Fry's bridge personnel is Vasquez from ALIENS:cool:
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I've always considered Russ' character in that movie as Tuvok.

Read my comments about Russ' appearances here: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/Voyagermysteries.html
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:techman:

I found your comments re:Tuvok very interesting:vulcan:

Loved your ideas re: TNG's “Starship Mine” & Tuvok:cool:
 
Herbert said:
Tim Russ auditioned for the part of Geordi LaForge for Star Trek: The Next Generation. As we all know the part went to Levar Burton. IIRC, they hired Tim Russ for Star Trek: Generations because they liked him from the LaForge audition.
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Seven years later, for a bit part? It doesn't smell right.
 
Tim Russ also played one of the terrorists in TNG: "Starship Mine," so it's not exactly like they lost touch with him over the years.
 
ATimson said:
Seven years later, for a bit part? It doesn't smell right.
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If I remember Richard Arnold's convention anecdotes correctly, Tim Russ was infamously pipped at the post for a number of TNG roles over the years. Often between him and one other. The casting people liked him, and they kept getting him back in to audition.
 
Tinkertoyz76 said:
yeah not really sure what the point of this thread is but, the character Tim Russ plays in generations is just a small throw away role. and russ hadnt yet been cast as tuvok. so it really wouldnt have made a difference anyways.
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Exactly. There was no point. He has one line, and I think that's it.
 
CorporalClegg said:
Ronald Held said:
If Tuvok was in Generations, wouldn't that have made it harder to tell Flashback, if there were Enterprise-B scenes in it?
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How so? Simply substitute any Excelsior scenes with E-B ones. Or one better: re-write the frackin episode all together.
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At least the Excelsior side characters had been established previously on screen. The only known characters from the E-B were Demora Sulu and Captain Harriman. Plus, who knows if those actors/actresses would have been available. Instead they got George Takei and the actress who plays Rand to return, which was a nice touch.
 
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