> Be Superhero
> Get headshot by gun and die
This isn't even 'C' tier, it's F.
> Get headshot by gun and die
This isn't even 'C' tier, it's F.
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It's comics accurate. We like that right? Yellow/gold is always tricky. Especially when it's the dominate color.
I guess is could be worse and take a spread to the chest like Quicksilver.
That was a decade ago.
In-universe under present times any hero or villain should be very hard to beat with conventional weaponry.
Yeah, like there are rules to these things.
None of the heroes or villains are that "invulnerable". Today, last week or last decade. They are all faulty plot armor away from a "bullet to the head".
You're not wrong.
I just foolishly wish for things to be different.
I just foolishly wish for things to be different.
They aren't doling out adamantium armor to every punch and shooter on the street. And space aliens, exotic metals and hyper-tech aside it's still "our world".
His ugly costume was deliberate. It was suppose look that awful. That demonstrates how clueless Val was in trying to create her own superhero and went with the over-the-top shiny outfit because shiny is cool! That's further emphasized by her insistence that Bob die his hair blonde. Bob's obvious discomfort in the outfit (and the hair die) further sells that point.
Agreed. This would have worked as a series, with a slower build toward the group dynamic, and above all else, developing the characters. From there, the concept could've been spun-off into the next Avengers movie.
This is plot armor and story requirements in its basic form.
They didn't have a role for Taskmaster, so they killed her off - plain and simple. I just question why she was there to begin with for 2 lines of dialogue and 30 seconds of combat before she was killed, i don't see the story purpose.
There's tons of characters classified as superheroes that would have been easily killed by a bullet to the head, i.e. Bucky, Captain America ( without helmet), Hawkeye, Black Widow, Tony Stark ( without armor) etc - basically anyone who is not extremely durable all the time like Thor and not just when geared up.
The stories just didn't go that way.
Watched it. Liked it. Not as much as others but it's personal taste. I'm a bit cool on the more comedic marvel movies. Same with GOTG. Also didn't like the final battle being in Sentry/Bob's mind. Again, personal taste. But I like that they did something different.
And what i really love is where all this is going. It does feel like Marvel back on the right track. It's actually leading to something again. I can't wait to see that conflict between different Avergers/z teams. I can't wait to see what else the Russos will do with them.
And what i really love is where all this is going. It does feel like Marvel back on the right track. It's actually leading to something again. I can't wait to see that conflict between different Avergers/z teams. I can't wait to see what else the Russos will do with them.
Ultimately, the movies will always try to appeal to everyone and I always felt they kept the door open for general audiences. I think people can watch it and enjoy it. They won't get everything but the story the movie tells does cover the motivations behind characters and with Bob's power we actually see glimpes of the Thunderbolts team's past lives which covers enough to see where they're coming from when we meet them here.
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The only major problem the movie has is that to get all the character backstories you'd have to be knee deep in the MCU already, you would have needed to watch at least 3 movies and 2 TV shows to get the full impact ( possibly even more if you want to know everything about Bucky).
This was not a movie to start the MCU journey but even then it could work because they give at least a little effort into showing us who each character is and why they are in the state they are.
Interesting you're stating this. The other day, oktay posted the following from Kevin Feige, et al.:
The internal concerns of Marvel Studios creating a "new new fans club" with the films (for Feige's "homework" reason) plus productions that are just not in the "must see" category is a cold wave of under-performance the studio does not have the ability to avoid at this time. I'm still hoping the FF will be a self-contained (...well...) gem that does not beat the audience over the Easter Eggs and references to innumerable MCU productions from the past.
One of the reasons I fell off of the MCU train was because it was starting to feel like Homework. I no longer subscribe to Disney+, yet it seemed like this movie picked up a lot from Falcon and Winter Soldier. Not only that, but some of these movies are now 5+ years old. I mean Black Widow came out in 2021, so 4 years, but that was Yelena's first appearance, if I recall. I think they need to find a medium where they can get new fans and still please the old ones because the more this universe grows, the more convoluted it's going to get. Maybe what these films need is a "previously on" to bring in a cliffnotes of what is going on. For me, I forgot who Ava was, or why Taskmaster was so important (I didn't even recognize the character).
Part of the reason DC and Marvel regularly ( as in every 5-10 years or so) reboot their main franchises in some ways through a big event. Either hit the reset button or create an offshot like Marvel did with the Ultimate Universe ( where the MCU got many of its ideas including a black Nick Fury).
They know that after a while and many storylines and events newcomers have no idea what's going on when writers reference events from years before, possibly from other lines, that they simply assume people know. They are right but that's only true for the hardcore fans who have either been there from the start or are so invested they really do the homework and go back ages and read at least the essentials ( which can be enormous too after 10 years or more).
I don't see that happening with the MCU for some reason and that's especially notable because Hollywood loves reboots but i think people would reject new actors for Cap or Tony Stark at this point because the original actors left such a huge mark on them.
Yeah I was kind of pissed at that. I usually stay for the credits and try to read through at least the music stuff, and when it showed a credit for the Fantastic Four First Steps theme; I went that wasn't in the actual movie anywhere; damn now I know what the end teaser is going to be about.
I was really trying to avoid any spoilers beyond the first trailer for Fantastic Four First Steps as I'm a big Fantastic Four fan; and honestly it appears they spoiled the ending for that film.
Thanks Kevin Feige- I really wanted to know the ending to Fantastic Four First Steps before I see the film.. oh wait.
(And yes there were plenty of people talking about how they were going to bring the Fantastic Four over from a different universe or via time travel; but this pretty much answers that question before the film even comes out. I know a lot of people love to know everything about a movie before they see it in the theaters; but I'm not one of those people, and generally I try to go out of my way to avoid spoilers.)
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