Threshold Theory

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Everyone knows how bad it is that Paris and Janeway abandoned their three children, children listed as theirs by Memoryalpha in their bio snapshots. I've just realized why they were able to do so without a second's thought.

BECAUSE OF THEIR RESIDUAL LIZARD BRAINS!

Lizards don't take care of their young. In fact I had a lizard once who had babies and she ATE them. The babies are designed to flee and make it on their own and the mother is designed to rush off and eat stuff to get ready to make more lizards. Obviously the father doesn't think past the conception.

So they come out of this transformation into salamandery lizard people and not only has no human parental instinct been activated they went through the process with a distinctly opposite instinct. They look at those young and they are just creatures in need of being released into the wild. It's a natural thing to do, and in doing it they are actually continuing their role as parents, parents of the salamanders.

Now get some years under them, maybe tweak some human parental feelings via the bio clock or a relative having a baby and I'm suspecting that eventually the memory of these children is going to come back to them. In my ideal novel it continues to disturb until finally they want some answers.

 

[Lynx]

"Threshold" never happened!
It was just a nightmare Janeway had after eating too much Leola Root stew or drinking too much of Neelix’s coffee.
The best evidence for this episode being nothing but a nightmare is the fact that no one ever mentioned the events in the episode in later episodes. I mean, Paris almost dies, turns into a lizard, abducts Janeway who is also turned into a lizard and they have lizard “children” and no one talks about it or jokes about it later!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

The best evidence for this episode being nothing but a nightmare is the fact that no one ever mentioned the events in the episode in later episodes.

Dude. You just killed all of Star Trek.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Janeway and Paris were Lizards.

It was everyone else in their right mind that didn't appreciate how happy Janeway and Tom were as lizards or how their Lizard love for each other was forever and how they might have have raised their young they decided not to eat, well together.

Once Janeway was Janeway again, she could have turned the ship around, but that would have been three days later, and turning back is for pussies.

 

[Melakon]

In fact I had a lizard once who had babies and she ATE them.

Fish do this too. Had an aquarium set up with different species, and a swordtail went through live birth, with dozens of babies popping out while the mother and everyone else enjoyed the buffet. Only one resourceful baby survived, hiding in the hollow of a rock and only venturing out to grab a bit of food that might fall near it, then back to shelter again. It eventually got large enough to venture out without looking like a tasty morsel and got as big as its mother. It was another female, but no surviving males.

So you're saying Janeway will some day waken from a nightmare, finding blood all over her face and hands, and Naomi Wildman's corpse in the middle of the floor?

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I'm completely lol-ing at this thread!

I can't believe the cast actually said "sure" to doing this episode.

 

[Catarina]

I believe Kate fought it.
"If I have to copulate with Lt. Paris do I really have to produce lizards?"

You'll LOL when you hear Robbie McNeil's laid back POV.

"I actually wondered how lizards make babies. Are we going to film that? Can we put it on that on television? And I honestly wondered if we have babies we can't just leave them there. we should raise the little lizard babies as our own."

 

[Guy Gardener]

From before the beginning, in a press release and the bible(?) Tom was described as the male lead which implies a romantic attachment to the female lead (usually). Which brings two factors into play, they were supposed to hook up, and if you believe Anwar the absolute failure of Threshold is the only reason why all the serious planning for their ongoing love affair was abandoned.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

But Threshold wasn't a failure. I (the audience) loved it. And it just keeps giving and giving when you think about WHY they abandoned them, Janeway the maternal one who reaches out to her crew.. and WHAT will happen when their successful lizard parenting wears off and one day some human parenting instinct kicks in. And that's just the parenting, Threshold also keeps on giving with the whole Janeway and Paris did it deal which is of course, excellent.

 

[Avro Arrow]

But Threshold wasn't a failure. I (the audience) loved it.

I think you're the first person I've ever seen say that!

 

[SPCTRE]

RESIDUAL LIZARD BRAINS!

Dan Harmon is known to describe his parents as very "reptilian", which of course we all are, to some extent.

 

[Catarina]

I watch Threshold. Especially for the neelix coffee joke, Janeway getting insulted (probably Paris foreplay) and the line: "I must say I never considered having them with you ." Ooh and Tuvok's line which probably had me laughing at all during this embarrassing scene "I look forward to reading it." Lieutenant! :-)

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

From before the beginning, in a press release and the bible(?) Tom was described as the male lead which implies a romantic attachment to the female lead (usually). Which brings two factors into play, they were supposed to hook up, and if you believe Anwar the absolute failure of Threshold is the only reason why all the serious planning for their ongoing love affair was abandoned.

So wait... Janeway and Tom were originally set up to get together, like in the series? I could have so seen that happen!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I watch Threshold. Especially for the neelix coffee joke, Janeway getting insulted (probably Paris foreplay) and the line: "I must say I never considered having them with you ." Ooh and Tuvok's line which probably had me laughing at all during this embarrassing scene "I look forward to reading it." Lieutenant! :-)

There's also Tuvok's scathing line to Chak.

CHAKOTAY: There are traces of human DNA. It's them. But I have to admit, I'm not sure which one is the Captain.
TUVOK: The female, obviously.

You can almost hear him adding under his breath, "Mr. Science".

 

[Melakon]

Chakotay hadn't seen her naked in "Resolutions" yet, so maybe his cluelessness can be forgiven.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I refuse to believe that ever happened. He was playing with his sand in the hut when she was bathing.

 

[Grathon Tolar]

Threshold rules.

I have a meta-theory about how it kind of makes sense from a certain standpoint; I'll share it later.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm extremely pleased with my revelation that no, they were not awful people to abandon the babies, they were doing the best parenting the biology of being lizard parents could do.

 

[JD5000]

You make a good point Tea. It's new to me, I didn't consider that. They weren't awful people; they were good lizards.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

By the time I die on this forum I will have rebooted every Janeway decision into a good one, not just a good one an INSPIRED one.