THR.com Behind the Scenes video of Star Trek

[number6]

Did they say that TOS didn't happen?? I must have clicked on the wrong link.

 

[vice1986]

HAHAHA! "There's no superman'ers, there's no star wars'ers, there's trekkers!"

That was awesome.

 

[M'Sharak]

Did they say that TOS didn't happen??

No, they did not say it -- not in this nor in any other interview of which I'm aware.

 

[BillJ]

Second, you cannot over write the past - quantum dynamics does not work that way. So you can just know, in the back of your mind, deep down, that even though they say TOS didn't happen... it did. It did happen.

It's all yours.

From a practical standpoint you are right. But this is a Hollywood film. Why would Spock care what Nero is doing to the timeline if it doesn't alter the one he is from?

In a film like this the stakes need to be big. So the stakes are "The Future", if Nero changes the past everything that Spock has come to know will be changed irrevocably.

 

[Cheebo]

But in the end we are very lucky. The movie, with all of its changes is still very much canon and very much within "our" universe. Regardless of time travel/newly altered past and so forth. It is still our Star Trek, our universe of Trek and can easily be placed alongside the rest of the franchise.

Most people when trying to bring back a dead franchise like this would completely reboot it ala Batman Begins or Battlestar Galactica.

The fact that Abrams and the writers put so much work into making sure that the film still makes sense in the larger world of Star Trek and fits in, just for us the fans is a miracle. We are very lucky to get that, it could have far different.

 

[Eddie Roth]

They still happen. I mean look at it this way.

The Trek universe happens as we know it and then AFTER Nemesis Nero and Spock get thrown back in time.

From this perspective, Trek XI is a sequel to Nemesis. And thus as a viewer, a fan of the franchise you see it as:

All of trek happens
then spock/nero are thrown back in time
their actions alter the past
the "new" past plays itself out.


I mean look, Star Trek IV mostly happens in 1986 but we don't see the 1986 segment as happening "before" TOS.

Ah! Thank you for putting into such concise words. I've been trying to find someone who understands this the same way I do. I don't see why this is so hard for people to get, and why they are afraid of "overwriting" anything...

 

[Borgminister]

But in the end we are very lucky. The movie, with all of its changes is still very much canon and very much within "our" universe. Regardless of time travel/newly altered past and so forth. It is still our Star Trek, our universe of Trek and can easily be placed alongside the rest of the franchise.

Most people when trying to bring back a dead franchise like this would completely reboot it ala Batman Begins or Battlestar Galactica.

The fact that Abrams and the writers put so much work into making sure that the film still makes sense in the larger world of Star Trek and fits in, just for us the fans is a miracle. We are very lucky to get that, it could have far different.

QFT.

 

[shapeshifter]

I just have to say... Star Trek is fiction... Like, your DVD's will still have moving pictures with sound and such. They can't make them go away. Those are yours.

Second, you cannot over write the past - quantum dynamics does not work that way. So you can just know, in the back of your mind, deep down, that even though they say TOS didn't happen... it did. It did happen.

It's all yours.

EM) That's what I thought.

The idea I got from the producers since they first started talking after the first trailer release is this is a new, different, parallel timeline based on QT, (which says you cannot change the past.)

Few were paying attention though, (some still are not) instead, distracted by the whole; 'this overwrites everything which came before and if you don't like it; tough' or the, "it rapes their childhood", shticks.

The producers have been trying to hint to us all along that it does neither.

 

[The Academic]

Few were paying attention though, (some still are not) instead, distracted by the whole; 'this overwrites everything which came before and if you don't like it; tough' or the, "it rapes their childhood", shticks.

The whole 'It overwrites everything which came before' and 'It rapes my childhood' argumentation (if one is generous enough to call it 'argumentation' at all) is not so much a question of understanding or misunderstanding, but probably boils down to pure and simple cantankerousness.

 

[Cheebo]

cannot change the past[/b].)

By that line of thinking when Kirk and co. went back in time and took the whales from 1986 they crated a parallel timeline and the "real" tos timeline had earth destroyed by the probe.

I have yet to see in Star Trek where time travel creates parallel timelines if the past is altered. If that is the case then well, the "real" timeline has been lost ages ago, with parallel timelines of parallel timelines of parallel timelines.....

That does not seem consistent with the way time travel is shown in the Trek Universe and Nero/Spock don't have some sort of magically different universe changing time travel experience in Countdown, just a regular old Trekky thrown-back-in-time thing.

If you "can't change the past" then that does not explain how Starfleet was gone due to McCoy going back to the 30's, or Earth being totally Borg due to the Borg time traveling in First Contact.

The past CAN be changed as shown in Star Trek so far.

 

[The Academic]

By that line of thinking when Kirk and Cco. went back in time and took the whales from 1986 they created a parallel timeline and the "real" TOS timeline had earth destroyed by the probe.

That's quite probable, even when TPTB wasted no time to actually show it in the movie as such. It is also probable that this is the timeline in which Doctor Gillian Taylor and the two whales never disappeared from the year 1986.

I have yet to see in Star Trek where time travel creates parallel timelines if the past is altered.

Remember TNG Yesterday's Enterprise and Tasha Yar's daughter Sela from the TNG Unification duology?

If that is the case, then, well, the "real" timeline has been lost ages ago, with parallel timelines of parallel timelines of parallel timelines....

That's highly likely. The Star Trek universe probably looks indeed quite like the finale of TNG Parallels...

That does not seem consistent with the way time travel is shown in the Trek Universe and Nero/Spock don't have some sort of magically different universe changing time travel experience in Countdown, just a regular old Trekky thrown-back-in-time thing.

There has NEVER EVER been a consistent way to show time travels (and their consequences) in Star Trek.

If you "can't change the past", then that does not explain how Starfleet was gone due to McCoy going back to the 30's or Earth being totally Borg due to the Borg time traveling in First Contact. The past CAN be changed as shown in Star Trek so far.

It depends on what present you see at the time, that is, in which quantum reality you exist at the time. You never see THE past, THE present or THE future, but A past, A present and A future.
I know, I know... quantum physics is a harsh mistress.

 

[Cheebo]

There has NEVER EVER been a consistent way to show time travels (and their consequences) in Star Trek.

Thus makes this whole agument useless.

Spock/Nero go back in time, change a bunch of stuff. Simple as that. Just enjoy the movie for what it is.

 

[The Academic]

There has NEVER EVER been a consistent way to show time travels (and their consequences) in Star Trek.

Thus makes this whole agument useless.

Spock/Nero go back in time, change a bunch of stuff. Simple as that. Just enjoy the movie for what it is.

Exactly!