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Thousands riot, steal, rape, commit sexual assaults during NewYear?

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Social progress isn't about individuals, it's about large groups of people over generations. Someone who believes that gang-raping a woman is a sport, or a form of entertainment, will never change. They should be gelded by some higher power as soon as they reached the decision to do something like that.


We had a few of these in Sydney done by groups of young Lebanese men. One group of brothers was arrested and charged. All the supposed adults of that community just shrugged their shoulders. That kind of mentality had to start somewhere that the young men thought it was acceptable behaviour.
 
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There are gangs of men from certain countries running around raping women. Not individual men. Gangs. That is the problem we're facing. If a gang like that ever decided to take me, I would kill myself. I'd rather they had just killed me.

Oh, in case anybody was wondering: The above post is obviously nonsense. Rape gangs aren't really a thing, and certainly not a widespread issue.

Most people here know how seriously I take what happened in Cologne but from that incident to claiming there are "rape gangs" running around the country is just an insanely absurd leap.
 
Yikes!!!

Would not want to be a woman in any of these countries, or man for that matter. Some of these cultures are the way they are. You can't really change behaviours that have been ingrained into people over generations. Women are treated in some countries no better ten cattle.
As for the EU at the moment it seems to be lurching from one crisis to another, that could threaten the EU itself. But some of that is down to how the EU sells itself or not to it's populance.
Social progress isn't about individuals, it's about large groups of people over generations. Someone who believes that gang-raping a woman is a sport, or a form of entertainment, will never change. They should be gelded by some higher power as soon as they reached the decision to do something like that.

You might find these news vids and commentary of interest, in the blogs and chat rooms you see this 'game' of group collective rape or collective sexual harassment in crowds. It was normally confined to the streets of the middle east but now this cultural 'sport' of Taharrush Gamea, this Taharrush, the rape game, has been "played" all over Europe in recent months. It almost cost CBS correspondent Laura Logan her life in Tahrir Square on the night of the Muslim Brotherhood's victory
Norway has closed its border with Sweden because it thinks the Regressive Left Swedes are too far gone.
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Since individuals comprise groups, that's bogus on the face of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_science#Anthropology
I shall stop using terms such as "Norwegians", "Scandinavians" and "Europeans". They are individuals, not Norwegians, Scandinavians and Europeans. Norwegians have nothing in common, and they have no cultural denominators. They also have no political standpoint that could be described as "a popular opinion". Changing the minds of 100 norwegians is the same as changing the min of 1, because they are all one of a group. They don't communicate, and communication does not make it more difficult to change their opinions.
 
You're both right.

(Sorry if I explain something that you already know ;) )
If I have one criminal person from an ehtnic group, I don't assume that every group member is exactly like that. I can ask the question how representative is that person's behaviour. Generally speaking. (It's not like in Star Trek, where all the Ferengis are the same)

Social progress is about lots of inividuals that form groups and takes a long long time. Inviduals form groups like families for example. Families form groups like villages. etc. pp. Not every individual person shares all characteristics of the group that person belongs but of course you can look at the group.

As for Cologne: Yes, that shows a problem that can't be ignored but it doesn't represent 100% of refugess (it would be rather irrational to think that).

[joke] @BennieGamali: Well, as established in Star Trek VIII the Borg are swedish and the Borg are a collective. [/joke]
 
You might find these news vids and commentary of interest, in the blogs and chat rooms you see this 'game' of group collective rape or collective sexual harassment in crowds. It was normally confined to the streets of the middle east but now this cultural 'sport' of Taharrush Gamea, this Taharrush, the rape game, has been "played" all over Europe in recent months. It almost cost CBS correspondent Laura Logan her life in Tahrir Square on the night of the Muslim Brotherhood's victory
Norway has closed its border with Sweden because it thinks the Regressive Left Swedes are too far gone.
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Do not, do not, DO NOT, trust anything you read in these kind of blogs and chat rooms. Those are used to spread rumors as fact, even some hoaxes going on. There's so much bullshit making the rounds on these things, even those videos are anything but evidence. I watched the first two. I don't know what I saw there, but I know what I didn't see; a date when the video was shot, or anything that would bring what is happening into any kind of context. The second I can't even judge, since I don't understand the language that's spoken there. Anyway, we also don't see anything dating the video or what is actually happening.

Last week there was a very good report on the radio on hoaxes on the internet seeking to spread hatred. Part of it was an interview with the head of an institute looking into these kind of reports and tracking them down to their source. He gave one example, of a video making the rounds on social media supposed to show a group of refugees raping a 75-year old woman in Germany some time after New Year's Eve. They tracked that video back to a South-African newssite, and the video actually showed a group of men robbing that woman in South Africa a few years ago. A totally different situation, this video had nothing to do with the situation with refugees here in Europe.

The story coming from Russian media about a 13 year old girl in Berlin being kidnapped and raped by a group of refugees is also totally untrue, and German prosecutors are actually going after the journalist who filed that report.

To be fair, hoaxes can happen at the other political spectrum, as well. Just today it came to light that the reports of a sick refugee dying while waiting in line to be registered in a Berlin refugee camp was completely made up. The story had been spread across several media in the past few days. The difference is, here the people acknowledge it was a hoax, and the person who made the story up and spread it is prosecuted.
 
Let's recap.

You're both right.
Eh, I never said that groups (families, communities, nations, etc.) are irrelevant. What I posted, originally, was a refutation of this post:

You can't really change behaviours that have been ingrained into people over generations.
Gradually, my remarks have been lifted out of context, and the goalposts have been shifted in one of the typical ways that happens on message boards.

My original refutation of that post, in which there was so far no mention of either individuals or groups, but rather the particular topic had been behavior, and collective behavior at that (underlined), was:
Horse hockey. If that were true, there would be no social progress at all.

Then, at this post, @BennieGamali quotes my post, but seems to post a refutation of something that I never said. "Social progress isn't about individuals, it's about large groups of people over generations," he says, as if I'd said originally that it wasn't about large groups of people or even that I'd made a comment regarding intransigent individuals. No, I never said that. It is about large groups of people. But large groups of people are composed of individuals. You can't change the behavior of large groups of people without having affected the behavior of individuals. And here we are.
 
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@CorporalCaptain: Yes, that happens sometimes, that after 10 posts people explain to you what you have said in the first place yourself. ;) I know that too.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

Similar criticisms were made regarding the Rotherham child abuse case.

"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."

I recently read " You can't read this book" by Nick Cohen who pinpoints the Rushdie affair as the moment when British liberals split and the priorities for a whole portion of the left went from "caring about individual freedoms and freethought" to "not wanting to be open to accusations of racism."

I tend to agree that the Rushdie business was an intergral moment. The amount of so-called liberals who suggested that he brought it on himself was disturbing - Today everyone wants to defend Rushdie but it was not always the case.

The Guardian's take on it

"For example, in 2007 the Channel 4 documentary Undercover Mosque exposed various preachers making hateful and violent statements regarding women, Jews, homosexuals and infidels. By any journalistic measure it was a compelling and revelatory documentary. But in the media storm that followed it was not the inflammatory preachers but the programme-makers who found themselves subject to an inquisition. The police tried to prosecute them for broadcasting "material likely to stir up racial hatred."
I have been quoted and baited in TNZ threads in the past and I'm not crazy about politics I will try to avoid it I'm avoidng TNZ but I will comment here

I'm liberal on many things and I think REGRESSIVE LEFT is a great way to describe this problem.

what is the 'regressive left'?

I suppose it is everything that is wrong with the left movement, for example at a Bernie event. Take the example of two angry blacklivesmatter women, throwing their arms around angry, screeching and shouting, disrupting Bernie Sanders Speech ... is this what the 'Left' has become?

(Regressive) Left-Wing Authoritarianism
http://goddoesnt.blogspot.com/2016/01/regressive-left-wing-authoritarianism.html

http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-regressive-lefts-obsession-with-race.html

http://quillette.com/2016/01/22/the...s-the-regressive-left-in-theory-and-practice/

http://polifrogblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/lefts-regressive-shakedown-of-small.html

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/04/29/the-reason-that-liberals-hate-christianity-but-ignore-islam/

http://www.atheistrev.com/2016/01/the-regressive-left.html

I think we should end fake corrupt immigration now. There was almost NO illegal immigration during JFK's Presidency, did you know that? what has the modern left become?
Would MLK, Truman and other be rolling in the graves from the left of today?
 
I have been quoted and baited in TNZ threads in the past and I'm not crazy about politics I will try to avoid it I'm avoidng TNZ but I will comment here
Ah, you're back. TNZ works like fight club.

I'm liberal on many things and I think REGRESSIVE LEFT is a great way to describe this problem.

what is the 'regressive left'?
It's been asked. You keep using that term.

I suppose it is everything that is wrong with the left movement, for example at a Bernie event. Take the example of two angry blacklivesmatter women, throwing their arms around angry, screeching and shouting, disrupting Bernie Sanders Speech ... is this what the 'Left' has become?
Two what? Women/blacks/black women?
How did two people become 'the left'? How are they emblematic of 'everything that's wrong with the left'?

For that matter, what's wrong?

http://www.atheistrev.com/2016/01/the-regressive-left.html
Yeah, in your own words. What's wrong with the left?

I think we should end fake corrupt immigration now. There was almost NO illegal immigration during JFK's Presidency, did you know that? what has the modern left become?
You, of course, can back up any of this?

Would MLK, Truman and other be rolling in the graves from the left of today?
You do reach for anything, If only it had meaning.
 
I don't know I suppose you could class it under a number of things, sanctuary cities, the corrupt refugee resettlement programs and the groups profiting from this 'migrant' traffic. You see it if you follow the money but some of the Left finds these topics too 'politically incorrect' or 'taboo' to talk about

Gov Kodos? I will assume that's you with the same Avatar?
I have told you before please do not quote any of my posts, I have put your account on Block for some time now
I can not read any of your posts, if you do quote me all I will see just 'Ignored Member'
There are none of your postings I can read since you have been put on ignore

rather than shout at a wall which refuses to respond do me a favor and put my account on ignore
I think the ignore button can be found in the top right corner of bbs and under settings
thank you and goodbye
 
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I don't know I suppose you could class it under a number of things, sanctuary cities, the corrupt refugee resettlement programs and the groups profiting from this 'migrant' traffic. You see it if you follow the money but some of the Left finds these topics too 'politically incorrect' or 'taboo' to talk about
Back it up, credible, verifiable links and sources. Not you talking out of your ass.
 
I don't know I suppose you could class it under a number of things, sanctuary cities, the corrupt refugee resettlement programs and the groups profiting from this 'migrant' traffic. You see it if you follow the money but some of the Left finds these topics too 'politically incorrect' or 'taboo' to talk about
So basically, there is no such thing. Got it.
 
maybe one website to start https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wo...-state-department-refugee-admissions-program/

not sure how accurate this 'anti-regugee' woman is
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There were also over 40 Liberal Democrats against the whole refugee thing, the high number of Democrats voting against the White House is a clear sign Obama/Hillary and others won't have their own way when it comes to the immigration thing
A rebellion inside the Democratic party is happening
I don't know what I saw there, but I know what I didn't see; a date when the video was shot, or anything that would bring what is happening into any kind of context.

Video one seems to be the Calais Jungle, a town beside the tunnel connecting France to England, the migrants or refugees often try to storm the tunnel trying to leave French territory and use the tunnel to reach Britain
Here a group are in confrontation with local French

Video two, its hard for me to pick up the languages or region but it seems to be Greek women or perhaps female people around Greece being molested or harassed by gang rapists groups from Morocco, Iran, Pakistan...I suppose some people on the left would call these men 'refugees' or 'migrants'
 
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Video one seems to be the Calais Jungle, a town beside the tunnel connecting France to England, the migrants or refugees often try to storm the tunnel trying to leave French territory and use the tunnel to reach Britain
Here a group are in confrontation with local French

Video two, its hard for me to pick up the languages or region but it seems to be Greek women or perhaps female people around Greece being molested or harassed by gang rapists groups from Morocco, Iran, Pakistan...I suppose some people on the left would call these men 'refugees' or 'migrants'

In other words, you don't really know what you saw there, either.
 
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