Vic was awesome.
Yes, Founder.
(It's up to you now to say `I'm not a Founder, I'm a security officer´).
Thoughts on Vic in DS9
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Yes, Founder.
(It's up to you now to say `I'm not a Founder, I'm a security officer´).
But wasn't the point that Nog didn't want to talk to a counselor? He'd had enough of being analysed on the Starbase, and felt like the professionals weren't listening to him. He felt disassociated from his life, including his friends, and Vic and the lounge gave him that safety net until he was ready to go back to reality and face life again.
And I even seem to remember Vic pointing out in that very episode that he wasn't a counselor, and was reluctant to allow Nog to stay in the lounge at first.
Vic was awesome.
Yes, Founder.
(It's up to you now to say `I'm not a Founder, I'm a security officer´).
I'm not here as one of the founders, i'm here as this station security officer.
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Scylla and Charybdis (if you have that expression in German), as far as I' concerned. Shit smells bad whether it's solid or runny.
I don't fault one specific character to have that sentiment, I just don't like how Star Trek has this tendency to use "people rather talk to their bartender than a counselor" in a generalizing way. It comes up again and again with Guinan vs, Troi, O'Brien explicitly stating so, some Captains being mentioned as not taking much stock in their counselors in general...
It's the generalization I don't like.
For me, I already don't like it when Sci-Fi feels the need to visit Earth's past. If I want to see historical or contemporary stuff, I'll look at historical and contemporary stuff, not sci-fi. Again, to me that is like idk, NCIS had an episode where set in Ancient Rome, or to make the analogy closer, a subplot about Abby dragging the rest of the team to LARP Ancient Rome in some theme park.
And second, the problem, again for me, is that Vic and his bar are portrayed as this "glamorous awesome thing" everybody is expected to love. And all the characters love it despite several of them being alien. As with the "barman vs counselor" thing it's partially the generalization that irks me.
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It's not really a pervasive generalisation across Star Trek as a whole, so I'd hardly refer to it as a tendency.
TOS had no such character, and neither did Voyager or Enterprise. As pointed out, TNG had Guinan, but the whole bartender thing was mostly a facade anyway, and it was the fact that her race was regarded for their mysterious listening skills that made her more approachable, and why so many people bonded with her.
Vic was only in one season of DS9, so it's not like they spent the whole series with a holographic crooner dishing out advice to the crew.
Considering some of his advice as of the "get over it" variety, he wasn't much of the bartender-confessor.
Actualy, "Here's to the Losers" was an awesome moment.
You mean essentially a dilemma. Skylla and Charybdis? According to my dictionary it exists in German. I never heard someone using it. Dilemma? Quagmire? It's the same difference.
Aside from the fact that I like Vic, you've pointed out something important: the fact that everyone should like Vic. Nobody really criticized him. Small wonder that Ezri had only few clients.
Same thing with the baseball thing. Sisko loves it, I'm just fine with that. But everyone else shares his passion, more or less. I guess I can't relate to it, Germans know nothing of baseball. I'm glad they didn't exaggerate it with baseball
You mean essentially a dilemma. Skylla and Charybdis? According to my dictionary it exists in German. I never heard someone using it. Dilemma? Quagmire? It's the same difference.
Aside from the fact that I like Vic, you've pointed out something important: the fact that everyone should like Vic. Nobody really criticized him.
Well, Sisko did, but was talked into it.
Really, only Jake and Kassidy showed any interest in baseball aside from sharing it with Sisko. For others, it was something fun to do with Sisko and an honor to be invited, but not something they would do on their own.
I guess I can't relate to it, Germans know nothing of baseball. I'm glad they didn't exaggerate it with baseball
Just a sport; football (soccer) would have done as well except Sisko was from the USA area of Earth, and the show was written primarily for an American audience.
What I appreciate is the team spirit they showed in the baseball episode. It was fun to watch.
Sisko didn't criticize Vic himself, but his timeframe where blacks didn't have equal rights. He couldn't accept the argument, that such issues were written out of the holodeck stories. Finally he became also friends with Vic. As for the rights of the blacks, there is still the great episode Far beyond the Stars...
Sisko didn't criticize Vic himself, but his timeframe where blacks didn't have equal rights. He couldn't accept the argument, that such issues were written out of the holodeck stories. Finally he became also friends with Vic. As for the rights of the blacks, there is still the great episode Far beyond the Stars...
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