"Supposed to?" Last I heard she was to participate in S3 and then head back. Or things changed again.
Thoughts on the Empress?
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Reminds me of an old teen flick called "Masterminds", which had Patrick Stewart as the bad guy. You got the sense that he knew that what he was making was pure B-movie dreck, and simply decided to have fun doing it.
Regarding the Empress issue, one game I played when I was younger was called "Titanic: Adventure out of Time". You are a time traveling British agent sent back to 1912. No, you can't save the ship, it sinks. But one thing you can do is permanently remove Hitler as a future threat by indirectly causing him to become successful as an artist. He's so busy churning out overpriced alpine vistas, he never gets around to taking over Germany. It doesn't mean he's not bad inherently, he probably is. He just doesn't get the opportunity to do what he did in our timeline. Maybe the empress will turn out the same. To reverse things, maybe under other circumstances, Dukat wouldn't have been the monster he was.
This for me is the interesting aspect. Spock called MU humans the flower of humanity." If Star Trek is all about humanity becoming better and improving then taking an MU human and showing them a better way is about as Trek as you can get.
Maybe. But I don't know if it could happen in the MU. Look at what happened when the Terrans went soft... the Klingon Cardie alliance had them for lunch. And if the Terran rebellion succeeds, I expect it'll go back to the old ways as well.
Best case scenario for the MU seems to be that the Rebellion and the Alliance pummel each other into oblivion, and the Ferengi take over. Most of them over there seemed pretty decent.
Best case scenario for the MU seems to be that the Rebellion and the Alliance pummel each other into oblivion, and the Ferengi take over. Most of them over there seemed pretty decent.
No, I don't think that it could happen in the MU, nor do I think that is the point of the MU. The MU, as much as I enjoy it, is simply so resistant to the same ideas that it would take a lot of work to showcase the benefits.
But, being in the Prime Universe offers to the opportunity to show outcomes of cooperation. And Georgiou, for all the controversy of Burnham bringing her back, is an opportunity to show the human capacity to become better, despite difficulty. And, for my part, if Trek wants to state that humanity can become better then it has to acknowledge how bad humanity can be.
Holy shit! A franchise that partially built its fan base on having a certain sense of morality now has fans critical of them shitting on that legacy.
*Emperor. Her title is explicitly "Emperor".
If only we all saw the "shitting" that is insisted is occurring.
Yeah, about that - DS9's "In The Pale Moonlight", "Inter Enim Silent Leges" and "For The Uniform" would like a word with you. Hell, "In The Pale Moonlight" is considered one of DS9's favorite/best episodes by a good number of Star Trek fans.
Yeah, about that... Sisko did wrong for what he believed were the right reasons. That is nowhere near the same as bringing Space Hitler on and treating her as one of the gang.
I really can’t believe people can’t see the difference of someone trying to save their civilization vs. someone who tortured, murdered and ate sapient beings for the hell of it?
What message are they trying to send exactly? That it is okay to murder, rape and plunder millions of others as long as you act nice after shit goes bad and you have to escape?
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Yes, Sisko POISONING an entire Federation colony in an attempt to get ONE MAM (who he was just pissed off at because said person played him like a fiddle) = "Saving his civilization".
Yes, Sisko POISONING an entire Federation colony in an attempt to get ONE MAM (who he was just pissed off at because said person played him like a fiddle) = "Saving his civilization".
I have actually said he should have went to prison for that little maneuver. Though it pales in comparison to Emperor Georgiou’s actions. Which include genocide among other crimes.
Isnt that exactly what the U.S. done with Nazi scientists after WW2.
Franco became one of the gang after WW2 as well and Hirohito
It is exactly what the US did, and it was insanely wrong. There has been no evidence that the current gang can or want to do that kind of deep dive on Georgiou. They want her to be their shiny new action hero.
The show has done nothing to give approval of Georgiou nor do I need it to. It would be nice if morality didn't need to be spelled out.
It gives approval by giving her standing in the Federation.
I don't see that as approval.
A very shady evil part of the federation though
And, of course, Michael Burnham, who is supposed to be the paragon of Federation virtue. She gave a speech and everything.
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