Thoughts on Discovery Starfleet Uniforms (Trailer Edition)
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What was the timeline between TMP and TWOK?It just seems interesting that they would create a visual progression between ENT to TOS with these uniforms when we're generally intended to believe that the Kelvin itself, whose uniforms are arguably more TOS and post-TOS looking, originate from the Prime timeline and be placed between ENT and DSC. The stylings would then be jumping back and forth from the ENT jumpsuit to streamlined TOS style uniforms to, again, ENT looking uniforms with DSC, and then back to TOS?
Not only that, but TOS is only 10 years away and ENT was a hundred years back but these uniforms feel like they're right in the middle. But then again, things like uniform design and ship design isn't necessarily a progressive evolution visually like biological lifeforms and can change completely from one design to another (despite how some people may feel)
Also, the jackets on the DSC uniforms remind me strongly of the TOS field jackets, as well as similar lines to the Kelvin uniforms.
Oh, that was more meant as a response to others that have stated that. I intended to point out that it would be odd to view it as a progression from ENT to TOS if that was what the production had intended. I don't feel incredibly strongly that they are that similar, but I guess in a general sense with the solid coloring and I think, at a glance, the overall complexity of the design can be comparable. While ENT harkens more to astronaut jumpsuit, DSC moves more onto scifi military. I think that the Kelvin uniforms really throw the idea of a progressive evolution of design to uniforms out the window.
It is my understanding that there is some debate about the timeline between the two films, but I've always thought it was around 10 years or so. I am not sure, myself.
And I agree on the field jackets. It looks as if Starfleet goes through phases of complicated and layered design to simple and one-piece and then back to complicated and layered.
I like the base fabric and general cut and pattern of the tunic, but the gold/silver piping and highlights are just a little too overdone for my taste. Really pinging high up on the contrast-o-meter.
I like the metal insignias but I flat out HATE the tiny little dots on the lower corner to delineate rank grade (for reasons previously assigned in this thread). They should have cut back on the bling elsewhere and brought bad the cuff braid. I think that would have gone a long way to get it back into a 23rd century near-to-TOS look and quieted some fans that it's not Cage-looking enough.
I like the metal insignias but I flat out HATE the tiny little dots on the lower corner to delineate rank grade (for reasons previously assigned in this thread). They should have cut back on the bling elsewhere and brought bad the cuff braid. I think that would have gone a long way to get it back into a 23rd century near-to-TOS look and quieted some fans that it's not Cage-looking enough.
Here is something that always bothered me about Starfleet, and this applies to more than just DSC.
Starfleet has one working uniform, dress uniforms and the occasional jumpsuit. I think there needs to be more variety.
Starfleet has one working uniform, dress uniforms and the occasional jumpsuit. I think there needs to be more variety.
Agreed - most real-world services have anywhere between 5 and 10 different kinds of uniforms to choose from, depending on any given situation. Class-A's, Class-B's, Dress, standard duty wear, BDU's (and all their different camo flavors), different kinds of footwear and headwear, etc. In truth, the only form of Trek that's ever really come close to conveying this was the NuTrek movies, with all the different outfits they wear. Quite realistic, actually.
Exactly. Since I've never served in the armed forces, I might be incorrect, but some uniforms can also be determined by the CO?
Yes, DSC should have several different uniforms that we can argue about.
Kidding aside, I would LOVE to see multiple variations of uniforms. While I thought it was odd that the regular uniforms changed from movie to movie, I loved all the non-shipboard variants in Beyond.
Kidding aside, I would LOVE to see multiple variations of uniforms. While I thought it was odd that the regular uniforms changed from movie to movie, I loved all the non-shipboard variants in Beyond.
I believe this to be true - at least it used to be, for the US Navy. The Naval Construction Forces Manual of 1969 specifies, (page 52, section 5) "The Battalion Commanding Officer issues instructions concerning the uniform requirements for men at the job site. However, directives on uniforms must conform to policies of the base or area commander".
So, yes, it does appear to be a regional thing and I'm pretty sure this is still the case today.
The Monster Maroons came close to this as well. Another reason I loved them.
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While not always the best look, I loved the fact they had more than one. TNG killed me with them wearing the same uniform for every duty, on the bridge, crawling though the tubes, digging up relics..ugh
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Yep, definitely my favorite of all of them.
My favorite uniforms of all time. Except for the security officer variants, I loved every single one. I just hated when they took off the collar in TNG flashbacks. It not only made them look silly, but it also looked insanely uncomfortable. I just imagined wearing jacket over a bare torso and all the stitching and material being super irritating.
'digging up rellics'
My favorite uniforms of all time. Except for the security officer variants, I loved every single one. I just hated when they took off the collar in TNG flashbacks. It not only made them look silly, but it also looked insanely uncomfortable. I just imagined wearing jacket over a bare torso and all the stitching and material being super irritating.
'digging up rellics'
Yeah, the jacket alone looked hella uncomfy. But so does the massive ass pocket on the field jacket. Over all I love these, honestly I would have been happy retconning these to THE standard uniform and redesigning something close for TNG era. Its silly for a military and that is what Starfleet is, to keep changing them every decade or two. Sure, parts get redesigned and uniforms change, but not that often.
It looks really neatly done - looks like an open ended invisible zipper was used. It's a bit overkill on one hand, but on the other.... looks cleaner than the exposed zip, and apparently zips are obsolete in the 23rd century.
I've been piecing together the elements to make one eventually - I'm more curious as to the two fabrics used for the base. The shoulders seem to be something different from the main torso.
Thats oddly why I love the AU movie style. The dress uniforms from ID, while not a favourite, are a great mirror for the current dress/formal/travel wear. The more industrial Yorktown style was also a good addition to the formal 'space' wear - though I'm hoping the 'ground' uniform returns as thats a favourite.
The advantage of big budget movies is the ability to create more. Discovery, while still having a high budget, might not have as much money to make so many variations. Or maybe we've just not seen it yet since we've got Lorca's shio to come, as well as Admirals and I'm sure a glimpse at Earth etc.
And then TNG and beyond pretty much changed the uniforms three times within the same decade.
Also, cue the 'Starfleet is/is not a military' thread derailment
And then TNG and beyond pretty much changed the uniforms three times within the same decade.
Also, cue the 'Starfleet is/is not a military' thread derailment
At the very lest its paramilitary
I was ok with the changes toward the end as most changes simply seemed to add more uniforms to the approved list. But yeah, they changed them a lot. It really has t be put down as real world movie issue and styling but we both know people are dead set on making in universe reasoning ya know, because holy canon and all.
For some it's "canon", for some it's just fun. For someone like me, I've spent way too much time trying to explain away differences over the years, so I just count it as a reboot.
We all enjoy our fan canon and I agree its often fun to fill in holes. I am a long time table top RPG player, I am used to throwing the "official" story or canon out the window as it suits my story or my game. Some folks however, take it way, way to seriously, I once got into a RL argument with someone who was screaming over some part of canon I didn't think was relevant. You would think I called his wife a whore or something, I thought he was gonna swing at me...too much man, too much.
There are nuts anywhere you go. Go to Boston and call Tom Brady a cheater and you'd likely be strung up by your testicles.
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