# Things that frustrate us all

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by rhubarbodendron, Sep 4, 2014.

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My pet peeve is people who don't turn on their headlights. I think they get lured into the sense they're on because of daytime running lights.

(Of course the other day, I momentarily turned off my auto-headlights and later was partway down the road when I realized I hadn't turned it back on. Giving myself 30 lashes!)

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The longer I'm vegan, the more I'm disgusted by the amount of animal products out there and how casual non-vegans are about using them, with no consideration for what took to make them. Especially since if you just look around a little, it's pretty easy to find non-animal based versions of most of those things.

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Apparently something like 70 billion animals are killed a year to meet our needs, a truly horrible figure - especially when the Earths human population is something 6 million, so more than 10 billion per person???

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Earth's population is close to 8 billion.

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Yeah I meant 6 billion sorry, you're right though after a quick check it's 8 billion, that's still almost 10 billion per human, plus how many of those aren't in a position to buy meat from supermarkets etc?

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First, your math is definitely wrong. At most, it's 10 per human, not 10 billion per human. (70 billion divided by 8 billion is 8.75.)

Second, I think that 70 billion a year number is highly inflated. Simply because if that number were really accurate, cows, chickens, fish, etc. would all have become extinct by now.

I can see 70 billion after a decade, but that number in a single year? I've seen people fluff numbers to make their case before. Whatever place you got this number, it sure looks like it falls under this category.

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World Economic Forum, 2019

An estimated 50 billion chickens are slaughtered for food every year – a figure that excludes male chicks and unproductive hens killed in egg production..

Nearly 1.5 billion pigs are killed to feed the growing appetite for pork, bacon, ham and sausages – a number that has tripled in the last 50 years.

Half a billion sheep are taken to the abattoir every year. The number of goats slaughtered overtook the number of cows eaten during the 1990s, although the figure for cattle excludes the dairy industry.

When it comes to seafood, the number of individual fish and shellfish is almost impossible to calculate. One hundred and fifty million tonnes of seafood were produced for human consumption in 2016 – nearly half from aquaculture (for example trout or shrimp farms) rather than caught in fisheries.

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What a jackass it’s been a long day.

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Infraction for flaming. Comments to PM.

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Interesting. I didn't realize the number could be that high because I figured going through that many animals in a single year would cause extinction. They must be breeding them far more often than I thought.

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I wasn't trying to be one. I just deal with numbers A LOT at work, and it's basically a reflex to fix math issues. Especially when numbers are being used to make a point about something.

But if I came across that way, my apologies.

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Not at all, I meant me for getting my maths that wrong.

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The only animal killings that bother me are the ones that are unnecessarily cruel and the ones for animals intelligent enough to make a case for being sapient like apes, dolphins, whales.

(And killing of endangered species for sport).

So I do try to get my meat from free range animals when possible.

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It seems I got caught by a combination of vague wording, and the difficulty of reading tone online. Through follow-up, it appears that @ED-209 only intended his comment to be self-directed, not directed at another poster. In light of this, I am rescinding the infraction for flaming. Any comments related to this, please send via PM.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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I saw post on IG a while back that said either 10,000 or 100,000 to feed one person in their life time. I know there's a big difference between those numbers, but I can't remember where I saw it, so I can't confirm which it was.
There's a new huge multistory pig breeding facility that they're building in China that's going to be breeding and killing thousands of pigs a year.
That would be all of them.
You'd be amazed how smart, pigs, cow, goats, horses, chickens, ect. are.

Just endangered animals?
This is a nice idea, but it's not always clear how "free range" the animals really are.

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Sadly true. The labeling rules are... not stringent.

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Yeah, I'm 100% sure, but I think with chickens, it can say cage free even if they are only outside of a cage for a short time.

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The rules for food labeling are asinine.