Spoilers Things that Exist in the Prime Timeline, Accoring to the LitVerse (Coda Spoilers)

[captainmkb]

This is also not intended as a very serious or confrontational thread, it's just for fun

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It's like the Kelvin timeline. Technically, if Kelvin Kirk went back to 1984 San Francisco he'd find Shatner Kirk - but we know they'd never ever do that.

there's also the possibility that if Kelvin Kirk went back to 1968, 1969, 1986, etc they wouldnt find themselves!

and therefore the Kelvin timeline would split from all those points as well - Gary Seven stopped the rocket launch without Kirk and Spock interfereing, George and Gracie got harpooned by whalers, Gillian Taylor never kisses Admiral Kirk and goes to the future, etc, meaning not only did George Kirk's history split at the point of the Kelvin's destruction but also their 20th century went sideways as well. The changes go upstream because who knows if Kelvin Data ever got built to leave his head in San Francisco during Guinan's 1890s vacation. or was there a Kelvin Quark to cause a Roswell incident, or did the Army meet a different alien at that point? i wont even venture a guess as to whether a Kelvin Braxton would bring a Kelvin Voyager to stop Kelvin Starling from stealing a Kelvin Aeon. yes, there's plenty of ways for changes to ripple backwards

 

[Christopher]

and therefore the Kelvin timeline would split from all those points as well - Gary Seven stopped the rocket launch without Kirk and Spock interfereing, George and Gracie got harpooned by whalers, Gillian Taylor never kisses Admiral Kirk and goes to the future, etc, meaning not only did George Kirk's history split at the point of the Kelvin's destruction but also their 20th century went sideways as well. The changes go upstream because who knows if Kelvin Data ever got built to leave his head in San Francisco during Guinan's 1890s vacation. or was there a Kelvin Quark to cause a Roswell incident, or did the Army meet a different alien at that point? i wont even venture a guess as to whether a Kelvin Braxton would bring a Kelvin Voyager to stop Kelvin Starling from stealing a Kelvin Aeon. yes, there's plenty of ways for changes to ripple backwards

That's not how it would work, though. Branching timelines would be the same as branching roads -- travelers coming back from either branch would converge onto the same single road. Logically, time travelers from Prime and Kelvin going back to before 2233 would end up in the same past. They were the same timeline before then, so Kelvin's pre-2233 history would have been shaped by time travelers from Prime. It makes no sense to assume they'd be somehow retroactively erased from things that happened before the time travel caused the divergence. That's mistaking the order in which the viewer subjectively perceives events for the order in which they objectively happen.

 

[captainmkb]

That's not how it would work, though. Branching timelines would be the same as branching roads -- travelers coming back from either branch would converge onto the same single road. Logically, time travelers from Prime and Kelvin going back to before 2233 would end up in the same past. They were the same timeline before then, so Kelvin's pre-2233 history would have been shaped by time travelers from Prime. It makes no sense to assume they'd be somehow retroactively erased from things that happened before the time travel caused the divergence. That's mistaking the order in which the viewer subjectively perceives events for the order in which they objectively happen.

they would be retroactively erased. if George Kirk had gone back in time, then he would no longer be able to go back in time because he was dead. that's what happened to make it an alternate timeline. the changes in the timeline would branch both forward and backward. just because you insist on being contrary and saying the opposite thing to everything i post doesn't make it so.

 

[Christopher]

they would be retroactively erased. if George Kirk had gone back in time, then he would no longer be able to go back in time because he was dead. that's what happened to make it an alternate timeline. the changes in the timeline would branch both forward and backward. just because you insist on being contrary and saying the opposite thing to everything i post doesn't make it so.

I'm explaining how it would work in terms of realistic logic and physics, while you're approaching it from the usual assumptions of time-travel fiction. Unfortunately, those are usually complete opposites, for reasons that have nothing to do with any individuals in this thread.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I'm explaining how it would work in terms of realistic logic and physics, while you're approaching it from the usual assumptions of time-travel fiction.

Why are we dwelling on the past? We need to get Back to the Future.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm explaining how it would work in terms of realistic logic and physics, while you're approaching it from the usual assumptions of time-travel fiction. Unfortunately, those are usually complete opposites, for reasons that have nothing to do with any individuals in this thread.

Of course in Star Trek, both TV and lit, it varies greatly depending upon the writer. We've certinly had incompatible interpretations of time travel in TV and film Trek let alone the ongoing litverse. Coda was very much the big loud blockbuster movie/comic book mould with timelines beaming beamed about like analog TV signals.

 

[Christopher]

Of course in Star Trek, both TV and lit, it varies greatly depending upon the writer. We've certinly had incompatible interpretations of time travel in TV and film Trek let alone the ongoing litverse. Coda was very much the big loud blockbuster movie/comic book mould with timelines beaming beamed about like analog TV signals.

True, but I tried to codify the rules in Watching the Clock, and that's part of the litverse, so theoretically it should apply to Coda too.