Seriously. Would it have killed them to have Picard encounter some telekinetic aliens in togas or get into a fist fight in the engine room?
Or get into a fist fight with Riker?
Things I Have Noticed on a TOS Rewatch
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Or get into a fist fight with Riker?
Let us not forget that according to Spock's speech in both WNMHGB and BAON, the barrier is described thus, density negative, energy negative.....
JB
JB
I'm not so certain that in addition to whatever space-time continuum they ended up in, they didn't leave the galaxy, too.
KIRK: Scotty, where are we?
MARVICK: Beyond the boundaries of the galaxy. We made it. We're safe. We're safe, Captain Kirk.
KIRK (V.O.) Captain's log, stardate 5630.8. As a result of Larry Marvick's insane fears, the Enterprise lies derelict in uncharted space. We have no way to determine our position in relation to the galaxy. We are in a completely unknown void.
KIRK: Where are we?
SPOCK: We are evidently far outside our own galaxy, judging from the lack of traceable reference points.
As the heroes are not shown floating in empty darkness with the Milky Way as the backdrop, but remain in an opaque purple swirl, such statements might in fact make sense. Being outside the galaxy should not obscure the classic navigation references as such: the galaxy itself, as well as various quasars and whatnot, ought to be visible, indeed more visible than ever before...
...But if the ship is far away from the galaxy and still inside the cloudy Barrier, she might plausibly be outside the range of UFP navigational beacons (something that never happens inside the galaxy, or close to it) and also unable to see any of the classic astrogation references. Moving closer or moving farther would both help, but our heroes don't know which is which.
Timo Saloniemi
...But if the ship is far away from the galaxy and still inside the cloudy Barrier, she might plausibly be outside the range of UFP navigational beacons (something that never happens inside the galaxy, or close to it) and also unable to see any of the classic astrogation references. Moving closer or moving farther would both help, but our heroes don't know which is which.
Timo Saloniemi
Seriously. Would it have killed them to have Picard encounter some telekinetic aliens in togas or get into a fist fight in the engine room?
Or get into a fist fight with Riker?
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Is it any wonder the spinoffs are not held in the same regard as TOS to the general public?
* Like many season 3 episodes, "Plato's Stepchildren" was not as bad as I feared. I have to wonder though why they did not take some kironide with them, just in case they needed some telekinesis in the future.
* In early episodes, there were many female crew members - Angela Martine, Lt. Masters, an endless parade of yeomen following Janice Rand's departure - but by season 3, Nurse Chapel and Lieutenant Uhura seem to be the only women on board.
* In early episodes, there were many female crew members - Angela Martine, Lt. Masters, an endless parade of yeomen following Janice Rand's departure - but by season 3, Nurse Chapel and Lieutenant Uhura seem to be the only women on board.
Perhaps the Kironide only gives you telekinetic powers if you're on the planet, so it wouldn't work anywhere else.
OK, I'm just guessing, I really don't know.
It sort of makes sense. In the episode, our heroes already know exactly what kironide is - even Kirk does, and he's no science wizard. But they don't seem to believe it has practical applications. Somehow, then, kironide on that planet must be different from kironide elsewhere. And we could well assume that kironide in your body only gives you telekinetic powers if you are on a planet made of kironide. A few milligrams (which McCoy apparently already carries in his little black bag) is useless, but a few milligrams in your body plus a few trillion tons beneath your feet does wonders, literally.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
That makes sense.
As soon as I say this, I see Lieutenant Radha manning the helm in "That Which Survives". An underrated episode, I think - this was the first episode where it really felt like an ensemble cast. Scotty and Sulu especially had a lot to do in this one.
* I actually enjoyed "The Way to Eden". No, really I did. Maybe it was the mindset I had going in to it, but it was fun, maybe even more fun than the movie adaptation that Bill Shatner made twenty years later. Skip Homeier added some gravitas to the story - he did not just phone it in.
* "Requiem for Methuselah" was another that I had only seen bits and pieces of as a child, and I really enjoyed it as well. No action, just dialogue, but what fascinating dialogue. Kirk, however, was somewhat over the top at times when dealing with Rayna.
* Memory Alpha pointed this one out, but it is fascinating: Spock mind melds with Kirk in this episode, and tells him to forget. In the second movie, he will meld with McCoy and tell him to remember.
* Speaking of Flint, hearing him describe his childhood on earth and his awakening to immortality made me hear Queen playing in my head. He was absolutely an Immortal, just like in Highlander. I wonder what would have happened if Kirk cut off his head?
* "All Our Yesterdays" was good. What an interesting idea, to escape destruction of your world by going into your past. But wouldn't that create all sorts of paradoxes?
* "Turnabout Intruder" was not meant to be the series finale, but it is so full of references to past episodes that it does ok as the last episode. It even has a shirtless Kirk getting his physical, just like "The Corbomite Maneuver" long ago.
* I have never actually watched the Animated Series, so now is as good a time as ever. "Yesteryear" was as fantastic as I have been told. ShiKahr looked great, and the continuity with the remastered "Amok Time" is nice. The line-for-line dialogue as well as the situation with the Vulcan bullies was used again in ST2009. I really like continuity, and this episode had it in spades. It also had a very deep story for a Saturday morning cartoon, dealing with life and death, euthanasia, and important life choices.
* "Requiem for Methuselah" was another that I had only seen bits and pieces of as a child, and I really enjoyed it as well. No action, just dialogue, but what fascinating dialogue. Kirk, however, was somewhat over the top at times when dealing with Rayna.
* Memory Alpha pointed this one out, but it is fascinating: Spock mind melds with Kirk in this episode, and tells him to forget. In the second movie, he will meld with McCoy and tell him to remember.
* Speaking of Flint, hearing him describe his childhood on earth and his awakening to immortality made me hear Queen playing in my head. He was absolutely an Immortal, just like in Highlander. I wonder what would have happened if Kirk cut off his head?
* "All Our Yesterdays" was good. What an interesting idea, to escape destruction of your world by going into your past. But wouldn't that create all sorts of paradoxes?
* "Turnabout Intruder" was not meant to be the series finale, but it is so full of references to past episodes that it does ok as the last episode. It even has a shirtless Kirk getting his physical, just like "The Corbomite Maneuver" long ago.
* I have never actually watched the Animated Series, so now is as good a time as ever. "Yesteryear" was as fantastic as I have been told. ShiKahr looked great, and the continuity with the remastered "Amok Time" is nice. The line-for-line dialogue as well as the situation with the Vulcan bullies was used again in ST2009. I really like continuity, and this episode had it in spades. It also had a very deep story for a Saturday morning cartoon, dealing with life and death, euthanasia, and important life choices.
Interesting, I hadn't really ever thought about it like that before, but you're right.
I always thought the TAS episode "The Counter-Clock Incident" was quite a nice 'finale' to TOS as well, what with it mentioning the events of "All Our Yesterdays", and featuring a former Enterprise Captain in a prominent role, in some ways it has always felt like quite a nice little overall coda to the TOS era for me. 
Samuel Peeples wrote the pilots for both the series and the animated series. In both episodes ("Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "Beyond the Farthest Star") the Enterprise leaves the galaxy.
It was the first episode aired, and Memory Alpha mentions him commenting on the fact that he did both pilots. It was not modern "pilot" per se, of course.
Hey, Inkling, do you think that Flint won the prize? Heh,heh!
I've always had this at the back of my head too but never voiced it or thought too much about it due to different universes as such!
JB
I've always had this at the back of my head too but never voiced it or thought too much about it due to different universes as such!
JB
I've always enjoyed "The Way to Eden" - the premise of the "space hippies" doesn't really bother me (there will always be people who want to "go off the grid"), and Sevrin was really much more Charles Manson than he was Timothy Leary.
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