They should have kept troi a proper uniform
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Sorry, pal. That sounds like a "blame the victim argument," in other words, rather Neanderthalic!
-- RR
Troi looked better in uniform anyway.
If I were her catsuit, I would't be sorry.
I guess that the catsuit was supposed to be some natural outfit for her. I don't think that it was intended that she was forced to wear it in some way.
But I agree that it was silly.
By the way, catsuits seems to be some Braga fantasy. there just have to be someone in a catsuit in every series.
But I agree that it was silly.
By the way, catsuits seems to be some Braga fantasy. there just have to be someone in a catsuit in every series.
It wasn't just catsuits, the blue dress in season three was just as bad. Her counselling sessions with the male crew must have been great. Her head's saying "trying to relax" while he chest was saying "check these out!" 
Again, we fulfill the geek stereotype, though - she did look better in a uniform. So did Seven.
Again, we fulfill the geek stereotype, though - she did look better in a uniform. So did Seven.
Personally I think that Troi should have had a proper uniform right from the beginning in the style of the other characters (ie. not the skant), or a casual variant of the uniform, which although not too imposing could show a reasonable degree of formality, and not reveal her cameltoe.
While she may have looked good, I never cared much for her character or more specifically the idea of a "counselor" as a main character in every episode. I sure as hell got tired of her on the bridge all the time saying "Captain, I sense strong emotion." Bleh!
I think we are judging her according to 20th century Earth culture.
1. The suit was her choice. Jellico, who took over for Picard, said he preferred decorum on the bridge, and ordered her to wear a standard uniform. I seriously doubt any man or woman on board would wear something they were not comfortable with. (Like the guy in the miniskirt).
2. Deanna affirms that a certain degree of sensuality is healthy, as per her description of the people of that planet where Wesley almost got the chair for destroying some pansies. The actress Sirtis expressed her desire to show a character who could assert her authority and professional role without giving up a soft femininity. Furthermore, men of the 24th century would probably not lose control at the sight of the female form. Perhaps it is we, who are prudish and crudish by comparison. (Boobies). In other words, our sexuality may be informed by more religious context of repression, abstinence, or privacy, whereas in the more secular humanist Trek future, there may be less sexual repression and more acknowledgment of sexuality as an unashamed humanoid characteristic.
3. The fact that we are looking for a starship counselor's cameltoe says more about us than her.
4. Deanna is Betazoid. T'Pol Vulcan. Seven Borg. They will likely have different cultural aesthetics and comfort zones of dress, and they are entitled to be comfortable. Not once did anyone wear a catsuit because the men forced it on them.
5. Compared to that vixen Lwaxana, Deanna is a nun!
1. The suit was her choice. Jellico, who took over for Picard, said he preferred decorum on the bridge, and ordered her to wear a standard uniform. I seriously doubt any man or woman on board would wear something they were not comfortable with. (Like the guy in the miniskirt).
2. Deanna affirms that a certain degree of sensuality is healthy, as per her description of the people of that planet where Wesley almost got the chair for destroying some pansies. The actress Sirtis expressed her desire to show a character who could assert her authority and professional role without giving up a soft femininity. Furthermore, men of the 24th century would probably not lose control at the sight of the female form. Perhaps it is we, who are prudish and crudish by comparison. (Boobies). In other words, our sexuality may be informed by more religious context of repression, abstinence, or privacy, whereas in the more secular humanist Trek future, there may be less sexual repression and more acknowledgment of sexuality as an unashamed humanoid characteristic.
3. The fact that we are looking for a starship counselor's cameltoe says more about us than her.
4. Deanna is Betazoid. T'Pol Vulcan. Seven Borg. They will likely have different cultural aesthetics and comfort zones of dress, and they are entitled to be comfortable. Not once did anyone wear a catsuit because the men forced it on them.
5. Compared to that vixen Lwaxana, Deanna is a nun!
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Didn't the Doctor design Seven's catsuit?
Triskelion:
Thanks for elevating this converation beyond talk of camel toes and cleavage, although I must admit I have the hots for Counselor Troi.
She would have been a more interesting character to me if she had been in the chain of command, say as second officer instead of Data. She could have had a dual role as ship's counselor and exopsychology officer, expert in the psychology of extraterrestrial species.
After all, Dr. Crusher was a fill-in bridge officer.
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Troi had some interesting moments in my opinion when they took her away from her counselling duties and she participated in other activities, for example some kind of ambassadorial stuff and researching alien languages or culture. Ithought that she shone in those moments. It's a pity that we didn't see more of this.
Maybe not in the offical chain of command (Picard, Riker, Data, LaForge) but a command officer. Someone familar enough with the ship that she could jump into a postion if need be and fill it. Her ability to pilot the ship should have been established early on. Her expertise should have been used more. She could have been showen giveing Picard subtle clues about how the captain of an oppossing ship was feeling. Would have helped him pick up subtle clues on how the captain was feeling? Was he anxious? Nervous? Confident? Any of those could help. So her being on the bridge would have been established and a handy tool in dealing with known and unknown races.
She could have been a much better charater.
Agreed. I did not see anything wrong with her not being part of the "military" structure of the ship. She didn't need to be to do her job and it made "Disaster" a more interesting episode as a result. I also think "Darmok" is a good example of what you mean, where she and Data are trying to figure out the Tamarian's language.
I did always enjoy the scenes between her and Data because they're at completely different ends of the scale. She can't read Data because he's an emotionless Android and he can't understand how hard her job must be when she has to deal with not only her own emotions but everyone else's.
She also had a good relationship with Picard, and being more directly involved in the command of the ship might have hurt that. Asking Picard to go on a walk in the arboretum was not something I could see Worf doing, anyway.
People routinely go nuts in space, even without the influence of weird energy patterns and alien intelligences. Saying Troi is no Data is like saying Uhura is no Spock. All of these characters became essential to the shows they were in.
Troi got a lot more to do than Uhura, I think. Similar to Worf, I would like to have seen her empowered more often - we often see Troi getting psychically violated, and Worf getting his ass kicked. But those scenes when those characters really do their thing are especially satisfying.
Troi got a lot more to do than Uhura, I think. Similar to Worf, I would like to have seen her empowered more often - we often see Troi getting psychically violated, and Worf getting his ass kicked. But those scenes when those characters really do their thing are especially satisfying.
^Erm, the difference between Worf and Troi is that Worf is a 6 foot plus, muscular Klingon who practices multiple Klingon martial arts every day and has won championships for his prowess with a Bat'leth.
When she beat up Ves Alkar, they portrayed things realistically. She didn't suddenly become Ninja Troi, she just hit him over the head with the her computer.
When she beat up Ves Alkar, they portrayed things realistically. She didn't suddenly become Ninja Troi, she just hit him over the head with the her computer.
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